Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
I do not think any of us have blamed the police on the front line for anything, I will continue to criticise the high ups who really seem to believe that buildings should burn and people left without medical attention 'because it is not safe'. The police are there to make it safe and should do so.
I see Melissa now advocates the use of water canon, but was against it when I suggested it earlier because bystanders would get caught as well.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
HELEN;
Cor blimey, can't agree with your comments,
yep as a child we didn't have much dough and wouldn't result to viloence.
and we all agree the violence/looting is wrong
but the underlying problems do need to be looked at if we want to resolve these issues
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Guest 717- Registered: 16 Jun 2011
- Posts: 468
An old expression springs to mind Keith; you can lead a horse to water....How many times do we have to 'look in to it'. We know what's wrong, police, social services etc. All bound by targets and paperwork. As soon as either put a foot wrong, we as a society and media are the first to hang them out to dry. Never mention all the good stuff they do. Maybe more restricted regulations on our press should be a start...then again, people would moan about the lack of freedom of speech. You cannot win. Rant over for now.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
helen;
fully support where your coming from.
but the latest on news that parts of london will be unpoliced due to resources being moved to london is not good journalism.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
- Posts: 6,950
The black people I have spoken to today tell me...
Six Police cars stop and block-in one mini-cab, in each police car there are more than one rifle carrying police 'marksman'. A rifle is placed to the side of the head of the passenger in the mini-cab and he is ordered to 'freeze', he is then dragged from the car and shot.
What we the public hear is that there was an exchange of gunfire between the police and a suspect (who was under close surveillance) a policeman was shot and his life saved only because the bullet struck his radio.
Clearly. What was reported about the incident was way wide of the mark. The Police may have messed up again, yet another heavily gloved finger may have slipped, an unarmed man faced with armed men may have appeared threatening and was shot. BUT for the Police to sit back and allow a wholly incorrect and misleading tale to hog the headlines, then to refuse to talk with the concerned people that they (the police) are supposed to 'serve' is no more than a retreat. A retreat from duty, from professional conduct and from the rule of law. Having thus retreated a vacuum of lawlessness was created and this vacuum was filled.
Had the police not decided to run away and hide and coral themselves in their fastness and not dare even to come out and talk. Law-abiding people would have held sway and life, limb and property would not have been abandoned by the very forces who take pay to act entirely otherwise.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
jan sums it up for me in posts 121 it is the ones at the top that the public are not happy with.
that applies to many organisations not just the police.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
TOM;
You are correct of course on the information side of things.
And the police themselves said they could have done a lot better leading up to the shooting, after the shooting, and since.
if the police have made an error(i hope they havnt)then they hold there hands up, to cover it up will just make things worse.
The police have a hard job,
we need now all agencies to pull together to find solutions
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
The stupidest thing I heard was the announcement that Kent Police had been drafted in en masse to help the Met. Result: rioting and looting in Medway and no coppers to deal with it. Thank God there's nothing worth looting in Dover's shops.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
in ealing the charity shops got done.
i heard the announcements earlier about which forces would be deploying in london.
the incorrigible rogues in those areas will probably wave their police off before looting their own shops.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Of course we also have the issue of what cameron and his rival for his position as pm(our boris)
who are both saying the looters will be found, and justice will be handed down to them.
Of course we all know that the legal system, and even if any are caught, the sentences that may be handed down, likely to be ineffective, and probably not fit the damage done.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
exactly keith we all know the score by now.
a lot of waffle about zero tolerance, those that have been naughty will be brought to book etc.
the reality will be a few fines(unpaid of course), a few suspended sentences and some conditional discharges through having no previous.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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yes howard
talking tough, but in reality,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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we need stronger handling of these thugs , no the softy softy approach, we have heard the race card used, the boredom of the youth etc and that they want to be respected well sadly after this behaviour they have messed things up further
Guest 717- Registered: 16 Jun 2011
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Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Good to read your posts HelenT, several nails well and truly hit on the head there.
Audere est facere.
Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 1,214
Quite frankly if an innocent bystander gets hit with a water cannon then they only have themselves to blame - what were they doing there in the first place? I'm sure plenty of warnings would be given, any innocent should have removed themselves long before deployment. It'd be like turning up to the D-Day landings just to spectate and complaining that you got shot at.
Still, you pay your money, you take your chances...
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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helen;
would be interesting to note what you was to say?
yes if innocent people get hit by water then they should be asking themselves why were they there?
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But lets not forget this man mark duggan i belive his name was, was watched by police for reasons unknown to us. the gun he had the report was said earlier wasnt a replica it was a firearm capable of killing someone anyone carrying any weapon of that nature is dealt with and given chances to put down thier arms , lots of different stories around
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Removed, to show fellow feeling. :)
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
and given two chances to put the firearm down
why didnt he>?
the full story will come out once this all blows over
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