Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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That is giving in. Spineless response based on some 'wisk assessment' I suppose.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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I do not think it was spineless at all just common sense. The management had to think of the safety of their customers and staff, it would be irresponsible to expect them to run the gauntlet of these hooligans. I suspect they will have been advised by the police to close if the story is true, it may not be.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Strongly disagree. If we change our behaviour as a result of a perceived threat from these cretins, they have won.
I'll modify that. I have taken some defensive precautions in our business which I will not disclose on the forum but they are designed 1. To ensure business as usual and 2. To frighten the bejesus out of any chancer who tries it on.
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Or based on the popular misconception that Insurance doesnt cover riots.
Most business insurance does (ok read your policy small print), you need to get your claim in quickly as your insurer only has 2 weeks to lodge their claim with the Police (they will get reimbursed from the Police Contingency Fund if they do so).
Also nowadays provided more than 12 people congregate with a view to causing or partaking in violent disorder it constitutes a riot - no need to "read the riot act" anymore
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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as predicted by many on here the trouble simply moved to where there were less police.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Hmmmm. Lots of police on the streets and people feel it unwise to commit criminal acts and others feel much safer. Could there be a connection? Silly me! Of course not. We can achieve the same ends with thousands fewer police. Bring on the cuts!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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with or without riots the future is that there will be less police.
just watch all our insurance premiums go through the roof.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - as Ross says correctly, a lot if not most policies do not cover riots and therefore there should not be a massive impact on premiums. This means that a lot of businesses will face serious problems and some people in these places will find themselves out of work.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the association of british insurers promised the other day to pay out on claims.
my reference to premiums was about the future nothing to do with riots, more crime means higher home and motor vehicle premiums.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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fair point Howard
Guest 717- Registered: 16 Jun 2011
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First lot of looters in Court, majority pleading guilty. Sensibly the Magistrates have decided to send them to Crown Court for sentencing. 3 males die after being hit by a car. Dad of one of them says his son was defending his community from the riots. Let's hope this does not insitgate more.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Water canon and plastic bullets can now be used. Sir Hugh Orde on TV just now, sitting in his police uniform, is against their use as he does not think it is necessary, I would have thought the TV pictures we have all seen say the opposite although I think plastic bullets would be wrong.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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There should be a powerful dye in the water in the cannons to identify looters later.
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Guest 717- Registered: 16 Jun 2011
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Peter I was discussing that with friends only the other day! Shops and banks often use 'smartwater' which shows up in UV light. Only problem being what if you get sprayed by accident? Am I right in hearing Cameron say they have a water cannon with 24 hours notice? Hummm....
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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How would you be at the scene of the crime 'by accident'? Any property owners trying to defend their property could easily demonstrate why they were there, other than that, innocent bystanders will all have fled the scene. At the very least they would be guilty of failure to disperse.
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Guest 658- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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A friend of mine not involved of course who lives in islington heard that strong catapults[black widow] used with lead balls kept them at bay. Army bayonets in the hands of ex paras helped. No injurious and they were left alone.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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guy in court was found guilty but as he was in apolice cewll overnite was let off
cameron talks tough, but in reality the prisons are full to bursting, so even if the judges wanted to give the guilty long sentences theres no jails to send them to.
so its talking tough, but in reality quite different
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Guest 717- Registered: 16 Jun 2011
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How about a system implemented in I think Sweden (or is it Norway). When prisons are full those who are due to go get put in a line. One in one out? Until then tag and curfew them. At least this would mean dealing with them more, to use the word of week, 'robustly'!
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Keith, I think that was the eleven year old boy who was sentenced to one day in prison but released as he had already been in custody that long.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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11 or not hope he wasnt a looter or damage causer, as 1 day sentence seems poor.
what would you do get a 1 day sentence?
the cost of bringing that to book is costly and is it cost effective?
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