Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Yes, Ross. Quite right, quite. But who was he talking to, who saw and heard him and TM? Were they (simply) doing right by everybody except those who took their questions to the police station on the night?
Could the Police not have called on Lammy to come down and intercede or as interlocutor between the State and the crowd?
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Ross Miller
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Tom yes you are right he probably could and should have done more, as should the police one it "kicked off" rather than as appears to be the case letting the mob take the streets whilst they protected their station.
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Sometimes less is more - an MP popping up pre-riot could have been even more inflammatory!
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Guest 663- Registered: 20 Mar 2008
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We all look on in horror at the pictures on the telivison of lastnights riot,and we can not condon the looting and damage that has been done, but it is so clear that there is a the lack of communication between all parties.
I will not criticizes the police as we here on Buckland have worked closely with them,but they do have to communicate with the public more,as we see here on Doverforum it has taken awhile for them to come onboard and send us infomation and press releases of what is happening in our community and the district.
My own nephew went into full time policing only last year i do not envy him his job.
Guest 688- Registered: 16 Jul 2009
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On your point about the administration of the last twenty years you are right Tom ,it has been seen to follow a conservative,capitalist agenda.However,these events do seem to correlate with the withdrawal of a centralised funding provision.They also seem to have a tendency to migrate once instigated.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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courtesy of kent online.
Kent Police officers were drafted in to help bring riots in north London under control early this morning.
Petrol bombs were thrown at officers, while cars, a double decker bus, homes and businesses were set on fire in a night of violence in Tottenham.
Fourteen officers from the county were called to the disturbances at around 3am, although a spokesman for the force said they had "no major involvement" and returned to Kent a few hours later.
Shops in Tottenham High Road, as well as those at the nearby Tottenham Hale retail park, were looted by protesters, who were seen wheeling away shopping trolleys full of high-value goods.
In total, 26 police officers were injured in the violence, eight of whom required hospital treatment. None of those injured are believed to be from Kent.
Keith Sansum1
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Well lets start by saying, no one can support the mindless vandalism/looting.
the police wont shoot until asking twice for the person to put the gun they are holding down.
faced with non compliance they are then given little choice.
A fair point about unrest and tory govts but wont get involved on that one on this thread at mo.
The MP should be seen as a leader and to call for calm he should and did right.
JAN;
as for the police in general, yes there communication has a lot to be desired, but like all agencies you have to make the best of what they do best
AND encourage them into areas where you feel they could do better.
HOWARD;
I have a friend who lives in forest gate so know the areas of forest gate/maryland quite well, quite a differing community you might say.
All these things are simmering under the surface, which all agencies need to address.
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Actually, there is one rule of law, and even if we disagree with parts of it that does not give us the right to break those laws. We should lobby for change if need be, and we do still have the right to peacefully protest. I get a little weary of "community leaders" being hauled out to give us their ten pen'north after any disruption/violence/looting/unrest and being expected to adapt my laws to accommodate others.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i am always intrigued by the term "community leaders", if they are not elected councillors then what right do they have to speak for the community.
apparently haringay has many different "communities", which suggests that multi culturalism is still raging even though it has been discredited by the two largest political parties.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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howard;
we may differ on this one
maybe community leaders may have there finger much more on the pulse than our local elected leaders
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Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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It was nice to see that some form of polite behaviour was adhered to in the midst of the riots. Looters at one shop were observed queuing for their turn at the goodies within. It would seem that there are three distinct groups who attend riots, those who wish to protest, those who want a fight and those who wish to go shopping.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
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Brian Dixon
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andnot forgetting the forth group,those who stand and watch and do nothing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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keith
my experience is that self appointed community leaders exert control over people and make decisions on their behalf.
their remit is to keep their own people from integrating with the rest of society thus causing a splintered society.
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howard;
im sure (or hope) you are only talking about the tottenham problem?
we have many great community leaders in dover our very own sheila amos
being one but she is elected each year
and doing a great job for the community
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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mel,the answer is no,i wouldnt waste my time [or money] come to that.i have better things to do.
Brian LIKE?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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keith
i am referring to people who assume control of groups along religious or racial lines, not people who work for the whole community.
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