Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Speaking for the right, I'd say that Labour lost the plot when it became new Labour, back in 1997.
That party lost track with all reality regards to traditional Labour working-class policies.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The vast majority of the British public are working class Alexander, thankfully most of them don't like the Labour dogma and vote with their brains, not their misguided view of what Labour used to stand for.
Roger
Ever the optimist, Roger..........
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Labour did not lose the plot when they became New Labour Alex. On the contrary they had rediscovered the plot, and went on under Tony Blair to deliver three election victories in a row...unheard of previously. Not teeny weeny victories either but victories on a massive scale. If thats not getting the plot then I dont know what is.
It took some painful achieving though, as prior to those great successes they had to complete some pretty serious modernisation. This modernisation allowed them comfortably into the living rooms of ordinary people who knew not a jot about red flag revolution. They shrugged off the ref flag workers party image, abandoned the cloth cap, and embraced the TV age.
In recent times their fortune suffered under Gordon Brown, who clearly as we all know now, was never suitable PM material, which was particularly noticeable as he replced the presidential Blair.
But with all things, fortunes go up and down...you see it right across the board, football teams, companies, marriages, stocks and shares...up and down they go, and Labour will bounce back. We did see an improvement in the latter stages of the last parliamentary session when Cameron was put on the back foot over a number of issues. So things could be picking up for Labour although they are a weaker group than in those heydays mentioned above.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the problem for the reds is one of leadership in my view, ed does not come across as likely to up his game and appear statesmanlike.
to add to their problems their doesn't seem anyone around that could be that much better.
the ony one i have seen is john denham but he doesn't seem to pushed to the fore.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Sadly, Paul's assessment is correct and New Labour got it right in that they understood people vote for style over substance. This is continuing today as we hear Cameron talk as if he understands the plight of the average household whilst all the time 'squeezing the pips' without a care for the real impact as it won't affect him or his pals.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Once again UKIP state eighty percent Conservatives are european sceptics and that Flashman has let them down invite them to join them...............Kindred Souls?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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one for alex to get his teeth into.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Well, as stated recently on the Forum, recent opinion polls (yougov and Reid Angus) show that the number of people in Britain who would vote to stay in the EU is declining each year, and is now at about - if I remember rightly - 30%.
Those who would vote to leave reached about 48%.
That in itself would be a fairly high turnout, in as much as 80% of people questioned would vote one way or the other.
As for the relationship Tories/UKIP on the EU, the Tory Party officially is not for Britain leaving the EU, UKIP is dedicated to leaving.
My personal view is that top pieces in the Tory leadership are playing their last cards out, at government level, and that we might be in for a challenge to the leadership from other Conservatives, who would want to present a new programme, with exit from the EU top on the list.
This would probably lead to an end of the Coalition, and to a G.E.
The sooner the better, I say
Keith Sansum1
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getting back to the original thread,,,,,,,,,,,,,
leaderless dave continues to struggle, and his own back benchers line up to wait for the chance to bring him down.
whilst i support paulb/howards views on labour the problem is we are now in a position of a poor rated cobbled together govt
with a leaderless shape to it.
all falling apart, the alternative as iv said needs to re build but a lot faster than they are.
so peter, your partly correct labour isn't ready yet,
but the clowns in at the moment have little respect from anyone, and its one of those,
we dont want this cobbled together govt or leaderless dave,
but the alternative is as bad at the moment
so hardly inspires people to vote at all
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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seeing that alex has mentioned his last party. i cuaght the man that woul take us out of the european union on the box earlier.
didn't seem to have his usual zip, just trotted out the same old stuff as if he was going through the motions.
what he said about dave was on a par with barry talking about gordon.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I dont hold views for or against europe at the mo
but if we are honest no main party is making any moves to get the UK out of the eu
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Brian Dixon
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kieth,it's a case of in out in out shake it all about.....................................you guessed it,itd the hocky pocky.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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whatever the rights of being in the union
cant see any moves by parties to withdraw
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Bullingdon Rioters.
Interviewed on the Today programme about the riots,David Cameron was pressed on the famously destructive activities of the `Bullingdon Club`.The PM - a member of this appalling outfit when an undergraduate at Oxford - replied with a hint of irritation: `I think we all do stupid things when we are young and we should learn the lessons`....................So : What was to stop the 23 - year -old student with no previous convictions,imprisoned for the maximum six months for stealing bottles of water from Lidl in Brixton,from saying exactly the same thing?The Bullingdon Club,certainly when I was at Oxford,did much worse things than steal water....................
Equality before the Law is,or ought to be,one of the non-negotiable pillars of democratic order.
Matthew d`Ancona, The Sunday Telegraph.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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reg;
of course its one rule for this club
and another for the likes of us
the divided society under leaderless dave
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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just jolly japes reg, if we applied the same rules to our betters as we did to the looters, posh barry would never be out of clink.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Everyone agrees that Sir Hugh Orde should be the next Commissioner of Metropolitan Police but Flashman did not appreciate him telling the world the PM did not quell the Riots so Sir Hughs is up against oppostion from the highest quarter.............................unless Boris wants him....................Have to wait and see.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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dont think he will mke it reg as commissioner
we have all seen how cameron bullies behind closed doors
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