Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Courtesy Independent/rvh
Cameron`s attack on Police backfires.Both he and Theresa May claimed their actions quelled the riots.NOT TRUE.Police made the decision without consulting them.
Flashman had to be talked down not to put Army on our streets!
54% question Cameron`s Leadership.
Major mistake to take on Police and lose badly.Chief Constables play golf with the Establishment and massage their ears and consolidate the message in the 19th hole and over dinner.( bit like Chipping Norton ) Shires will be uneasy that their Law and Order credibility will be damaged.
71% now saying Police numbers must not be cut.Flashman/Osbourne still saying cuts remain!!Who will win? `U` turn number ?????
Boris and piranhas lurking it in the wings.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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"major mistake to take on police and lose badly". Would that that had been the fate of the looters and rioters.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
If only........
Keith Sansum1
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Boris in number 10 by 6 months?
what a thought
what would cameron do with himself if the party ditched him
as they have started to do at the moment
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Brian Dixon
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time to leave the country.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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BUMBLING BORIS what a thought, most popular conservative, states there very own supporters.
cameron shook up by boris's maverick speeches, and people actually at times liking boris.
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Teflon coated Boris is far from bumbling...............
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The majority of the public doesn't want cuts in the Police numbers, in fact we need more Police.
The recent riots have proved this.
London is rife with knife and gun-carrying crime, and the riots started with an incidence of gun crime, when someone was threatening public security with a loaded gun.
To reduce Police numbers would mean giving in to the people who find this normal and then go on the streets attacking and threatening the Police for doing their duty.
These same protesters (who believe that it is normal for someone to threaten the public with a loaded gun) started off the riots and looting, and we should not give in to them.
They even had the audacity to state that the initial attack on the Police in Tottenham was a "peaceful protest", even though its participants started attacking the public and destroying public infrastructure and sparked off 5 days of mayhem in many English cities.
I suppose it was "political correctness" on the part of the media to say that this initial protest "was peaceful". Quango-equality policy, so as not to "offend" people who just will not accept that crime is illegal.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Chief Constable Sir Hugh Orde.Btitains Top Policeman designate ridicules Cameron over the appointment of Americas Super cop as his personal advisor on crime.Ministers criticism of Police inconsistant
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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wouldn't it have been better to appoint the american as an aide to mr orde rather than no.10 dave?
it would have not put the police's nose out of joint then.
Jan Higgins
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I can see nothing wrong with picking the brains of somebody who has experience in dealing with gangs. I suspect Sir Hugh Orde has his back up and anything the American cop said would be ignored however good it was.
The whole point is do we need more police or do we make proper use of the police we have by not having them tied up doing paperwork. I still tend to blame the top brass who sit behind their nice big desks in their comfortable offices coming up with bright ideas that the policeman or woman, who has to deal with the public, has to follow
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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so big dave has brought a yank in to solve our rebelious rioters,that my friends will make us safe then wont it.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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At least we should hear what he has to say, our top brass do not seem to be doing so well so far do they.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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As discussed on another thread the Peter principle is alive and well in our police. The top echelons are in many cases part of the problem rather than part of the solution. I see no reason why proven expertise should not be bought in where necessary. Again it's the difference between leadership skills and management skills in many cases I suspect.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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REG;
And now we have the chief contstable of british rail police also saying if cutbacks take place front line policing will be affected and its wrong to say otherwise.
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I cannot speak for the police, but I can notice that all of us are in the position of having to re-evaluate what is crucial for business purposes. I am working on a project for a public sector organisation which will mean re-evaluating and re-targeting services. This will inevitably mean efficiencies - and remember that actually means using YOUR money more wisely - but it will also, if done properly, mean better more muscular services better targeted and better managed.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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BERN;
The point being, that Cameron is looking so weak, where as boris is looking so much stronger.
that would be a worry for me if i were a conservative,
but its just as worrying for the country
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Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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British Rail Police Keith? are you in a time warp
Audere est facere.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i thought it was british transport police.
The headmaster of the Duke of Yorks School is Boris's cousin