Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Mr.Cameron vowed to save Chase Farm Hospital when closure of A and E and the Maternity were being considered prior to him becoming PM headlining ``It was just another example of Labour cuts to the NHS.It is totally unjustified``
Now he is PM the wards are now closing
Not just Lib/Dems who go back on pledges Vowes and promises.
Ed is no fireball or dynamic but he walked into the TUC lions den where he was asked to promise,pledge and Vow on some major issues...........He told them he could not and will not............It was not appreciated.....Refreshing or what!
Keith Sansum1
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i feel the two major political parties have lost there way, need to re engage
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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have to agree reg, saw some of the speech and ed is as dull as ditchwater but was brave to say what he did.
dave is charismatic but weak, importantly charisma is what wins votes nowadays.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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howard;
whilst i agree ed is far from perfect,
cameron has been found out so many times, and u turn after u turn
like you say hes a weak man
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Cameron came into Downing Street with many Headlines....Failure of Judgement.One being ``I will be making my Government the Greenest ever``
Olly says `Oh no your not`
There are many splits in the Coalition getting wider by the day and splits in the Conservatives are growing by the hour.
Today Chris Huhne Energy/Climate Secretary will attack Olly for his stance of `We`er not going to save the planet by putting our country out of business`
Coalition has made 10 major anti green policies .......one Howler being to sell our forests to the timber companies.
It is becoming difficult to know if the number of Coalition/Conservative splits out number the number of problems that are not going away
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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reg;
not just the splits between the co ,olition parties
but also within barryw's dave c party
also now moving up a notch the likes of tebbitt etc now starting to speak out against barryw's dave.
it will all end in tears for barryw's dave
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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There was some uncomfortable moments at Prime Ministers Questions today when younger than ever looking Ed Miliband tried to drive a wedge between the two Coalition parties on Europe. There is indeed a wedge between them, a yawning gap, as both Cameron and Cleggy were in open disagreement on the EU the other day...but somehow during PMQ they glue together...to secure the position they seek above all other - survival.
However they do look uncomfortable and no mistake.
Although Cameron puts up a good performance of sorts..he still appears as though in opposition. Revelling in the guffaws and sniggers..not very prime ministerial.
The session was notable in that all the Conservatives rallied together, closed ranks, nary a backbencher uttered the fateful words.. EU..all gobs were zipped tight on that one. Odd.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Cameron is at his weakest, todays prime ministers questions he squirmed not just by labour questions but some from his own so called team.
the gap between him and cleggy will widen and he will become weaker and weaker.
his honeymoon period is over, hes not even walking the walk anymore
he looks wounded.
a slow death me thinks, his future is in others hands now, will they push him or let him go to the next election?
they cant afford to have a wounded leader at the next election.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, you refer to BarryW's Dave C party.
Barry has dropped Cameron's mask for him. Now every minister all over the EU knows that D. Cameron is only playing along waiting for the time to send the EU packing.
At least according to Barry.
Do you think, Keith, that the EU will believe Cameron now, after reading Barry's version?
I wonder how long it will be before Ed Millyband invites the LibDems over to a coalition with his party!
Of-course DC knows this, which is why he is practically at the mercy of the LibDems and will do whatever they tell him
Either that, or he's got a plan B up the sleeve, but it would have to be a pretty good one.
I don't want to bang on too much about polls, but one poll indicated that 70% of those who voted Tory last year regretted it.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Correction, it sould read 30%, not 70%.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Mr.Cameron returned from holiday at the tail end of the summer riots.
He stated that his `Big Society` was a broken Society due to an aggressive gang culture.
His own Government`s research as concluded and reported that this summers riots came from the most deprived homes and were struggling at school in poor neighbourhoods `acting alone`.42% on freeschool meals,60+% of special education needs and a third had been excluded from school in the last year.
They further warned him that Society was storing up future problems by ignoring the growing number of dissaffected young people growing up in poverty in the inner cities.
The report highlights Flashman`s headliner knee jerk comments show his lack of understanding of inner city areas.
Once again he was warned to await the report before making such statements.
Failure of Judgement.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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alexander;
im sure barryw's dave is to busy fending off his own party knifers ready to get him at the first opportunity.
reg;
barryw's dave has shown he is so out of touch with the people who elected him, poor leader looking weaker by the day.
needs to be tougher on the lib dems to show there is clear water between him and them.
he needs to get himself in ,line with conservative party thinking(if barrw is correct)
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, Dave tried whipping the Tory MPs into submission with a trebble whip, he failed, and now they will counter-move, because they know now that he is not infallible.
Some 97 Tory MPs defied him, and this will make him look full of scars and bruises at the EU crisis summit, for which he had to sacrifice his presence at the Commonwaelth summit.
DC must be somewhere in Limbo, no-one really knows where he stands now, not even Barry.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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DC
Is trying to be all things to all people, but to do that you have upset someone.
this can be seen by the u turns etc.
his latest pro europe stand(against the wishes of his party)as you see has resulted in over 70 of his own MP's being rebels(charlie not included)
barryw's dave is out of touch with his own party, and his attempt to silence and whip into line his own geezers backfired on him, and probably more rebelled because of it.
barryw's dave is at his weakest, those in his party will be biding there time when best to pounce.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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If DC writes off another common cheque at the euro crisis summit for us to pay up, that should just about explain everything. Including why he tried to force everyone to vote against a referendum.
I'm looking forward to how he will explain this away, especially when we are running out of money here in our own Country.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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alexander d;
I think he will try to justify it by saying the timing was wrong(like baz says)
but hes also made statements that hes far more pro europe than those in his party.
he has no aim to withdraw from europe in his time
which the tory party is at odds with him on.
the balls were in the air in his honeymoon period
they have all landed on his head, pounding him into the ground
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Adrian Beecroft,half million pound donor to tory party,executive of Apax who use cayman island tax haven has produced a private Downing Street report for Cameron on Employment Law.
His one sided report in favour of Employers has caused another split in the Coalition.
Lib/Dems are furious with the report and will challenge Cameron on yet anothe error of judgement.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Flashman/Coalition has broken pledge to protect NHS.
Commons Library confirm Government spending fell in real terms by nearly £One Billion.
One by One Cameron is breaking all promises he made about NHS.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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any of us that have a pile of cancellation letters from the hospital will know that already reg.
we are told that the n.h.s. has to make savings but apparently these are not cuts.
george orwell would have been proud of this newspeak.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Thats what makes me laugh, everyone else can see it
cameron is becoming weaker and weaker by the day
he had the chance to go alone but that has long gone, now even the lib dems are looking to help to bring him down.
although its political suicide for them, they recognise they have little to lose now.
wonder how the lib dems will pan out in the voting chamber
and how soon the tory party will say to barryw's dave, enough is enough
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