howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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not forgetting cases where police did not thoroughly investigate allegations.
Keith Sansum1
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Thats correct Howard, but under interview a number of people admitted they suspected or saw things but never challenged them
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Brian Dixon
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i see jim davidson is another victim of this witch hunt.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Whilst it MAY be viewed a whitch hunt, a lot of people have a lot to answer for
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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yes kieth,you,me your neigbour,the famley down the road.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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not me brian
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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thats what the others said,and look what happend to them.nick,nick,nick.etc,etc.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Let's hope that those directly involved and didnt speak out are dealt with
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Giving Victims a Voice.
"11. Concluding remarks
11.1 From the information provided by the hundreds of people who have come
forward to Operation Yewtree, police and the NSPCC have concluded that Jimmy
Savile was one of the UK's most prolific known sexual predators. Indeed the formal
recording of allegations of crime on this scale is, to the best of our knowledge,
unprecedented in the UK.
11.2 The details provided by the victims of his abuse paint the picture of a mainly
opportunistic individual who used his celebrity status as a powerful tool to coerce or
control them, preying on the vulnerable or star-struck for his sexual gratification.
Sadly, this type of behaviour is not uncommon in any society - sexual abuse,
whether in street gangs, though trafficking or within families and institutions, often
involves the use of powerful coercion, intimidation and manipulation to exploit the
vulnerable.
11.3 It would be naive to view this case as the isolated behaviour of an individual
rogue celebrity. We do, however, need to recognise the context of the 1960s and
1970s (the peak offending period). It was an age of different social attitudes and the
workings of the criminal justice system at the time would have reflected this, even
though the abuse committed was as illegal then as it is now. Thankfully attitudes
have changed considerably in a relatively short period of time.
11.4 The increased confidence of victims is manifested in the significant increase in
the reporting of non-recent abuse as a direct result of the exposure of Jimmy Savile.
This does not mean there is any room for complacency though - more work still
needs to be done to ensure that the vulnerable feel that the scales of justice have
been rebalanced and their confidence in the criminal justice system enhanced.
11.5 The questions asked by victims were how was Savile able to offend over so
many years, why wasn't he stopped and could it ever happen again? The accounts
victims have provided, showing the pattern of his behaviour and the protection from
public exposure his celebrity status appears to have afforded, go some way to
answering the first two questions.
11.6 Institutions and agencies that may have missed past opportunities to stop
Savile's activities - and organisations where similar sexual abuse could be going on
undetected - must now do all they can to make their procedures for safeguarding
children and vulnerable adults as robust and rigorous as possible. Only then can the
victims who have come forward be reassured that it is unlikely to happen again.
11.7 Perhaps the most important learning from this appalling case is in relation to
the children and adults who spoke out about Jimmy Savile at the time. Too often
they were not taken seriously. We must not allow this to happen again - those who
come forward must be given a voice and swift action taken to verify accounts of
abuse.
Detective Superintendent David Gray MPS Paedophile Unit
Peter Watt Director of Child Protection Advice & Awareness NSPCC
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Are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet? Sadly, not yet, not even on this the first stage...
"From today's Savile Report
[DS David] Gray said Savile was not part of a paedophile ring but detectives were investigating whether he was part of a loose network of paedophiles who knew each other and took advantage of their position to sexually abuse children.
The Guardian
And from Guy Marsden, Jimmy Savile's nephew.
At 13, Guy and three friends hitch-hiked to London 'for an adventure'. They returned home about five weeks later but regularly ran away to the capital for similar periods.
On the first trip in 1967, the group of boys went to Euston Station and were quickly invited to a grubby flat by men who recognised them as easy prey, although Guy says he was never abused.
'About four days later', Jimmy Savile turned up at the flat where they were staying. 'He recognised me and I thought "this is it, I'm going to get in big trouble here". I hadn't been in touch with my parents to tell them where I was. But Uncle Jimmy just took us away to a much better place.'
Savile turned up by coincidence at the address because he mixed with 'fellow child molesters', said Guy.
The group of runaways ended up in a fabulous house - believed to belong to a famous pop impresario - with a big indoor swimming pool. The celebrity home was one of the party venues.
'At night you would get about 15 or 20 people turning up. There would be music and tables full of food, we couldn't believe it. There was everything we needed and we just hung around.
'At first we automatically assumed the children lived there, but we soon realised they didn't. They would be brought there, sometimes by Uncle Jimmy, and would stay for six or seven hours until 3 or 4am. They were just little kids, boys and girls.
'Two or three would go off and come back later. The really strange thing was that they didn't come out the bedrooms kicking and screaming. None of them seemed to be in any distress, but there is no doubt at all in my mind what they were being used for.
Savile's nephew Guy said children would be brought to house parties, 'sometimes by Uncle Jimmy, and would stay for six or seven hours until 3 or 4am. They were just little kids, boys and girls.'
'They used to say they were "playing." You heard sounds and moans and groans coming from the bedroom and knew what was going on.'
Guy said he believed he and his friends were there to 'keep the kids happy'. He said: 'I didn't think anything about it at the time, maybe because there was no such thing as paedophiles back then. I never saw Jimmy Savile sexually abuse any of the children, but as far as I am concerned he was part of a paedophile ring at those parties.'
Daily Mail"
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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uncle jimmy will never face justice, hopefully those still alive will.
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Why is it the `Elite` are found guilty when they are dead ?
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"If it ain't broke, fix it til it is."
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The timing of the whole thing is bound to loom large in the considerations. Not so much who, but when. There is very little doubt that senior figures within the 'establishment' are both implicated in and culpable of child abuse connected in some way or another with the JS affair.
Whether such people are thrown to the wolves, or given some protection while other lesser being are dealt with, leaves Dave with a sticky problem in the run-up to a General Election.
The right thing to do, in my own opinion, would be to go for it - warts and all. Better to sicken than to leave the least taint in the mouths of the Electorate. "Out damned spot!"
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Tom I fully agree. Now I need a lie down in a dark room.
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Why waste more money on a pointless enquiry, we've got better things to do with time and money
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# 174....gets my vote Tom.....
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174-7, the danger is that we get an establishment whitewash.
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Worth a try though Peter.........we are all in it together.....
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Peter, the establishment (whoever they are) will hold an enquiry into the establishment. Have we ever had an enquiry that was worthwhile?