Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Maybe he said to her "can you tell what it is yet" and she couldn't.
Roger
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#217
Quite what 'they' are all complaining of is a difficult thing to pin down.
What we can be certain of is that, given the fact that stuff happened a long time ago, these offences (of a sexual nature) were perpetrated by adults upon children:their own children, children 'of the offending adult's group' and children supplied through the State Care System for the sole purpose of sexual abuse, more than a simple few of the last group were murdered or 'disappeared' also.
Perhaps you and I Roger are of the happy few not to have been betrayed in this way, but for those who underwent such organised and sustained degradation - plied with drugs and alcohol, mollified by 'trusted' adults (into whose care they had been entrusted by Local Authorities and the Courts), expected to look upon it all as a 'treat' and made to feel that the fault lay with they themselves.
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On matters not strictly related to JS or RH.
Perhaps Roger you could help me understand one particular aspect of the more serious cases of paedophilia.
There was once a B&B, since condemned by a court as a brothel, that advertised it's 'friendliness' and it's video-suite in various outlets.
This B&B had it's guest book, but I am not certain what status, if any, such a book has within the B&B business;here is where I need help.
Did you take your old Guest Books away with you? Do you sit of an evening pouring over old memories with a Guest Book spread out across your lap?
Do you share a knowing smile with your dear lady wife over the 'Mickey Mouse', 'Donald Duck' and 'Horatio Nelson' entries, and chuckle at the queer circumstance of having been host to almost the entire cast of the film 'The Godfather'?
The Police have the Guest Books of this particular B&B, but there does not seem to be many, if any, Mickey Mouses, there are several prominent figures in Politics and entertainment though.
Should we the public now do to these, once abused children, much the same as was done to them repeatedly years ago?
The whole matter is dragging on, one senior Policeman resigned from the section dealing with all this child abuse only last week. Mayhap he merely wished to spend more time with his family, but few think that the real reason.
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Jan Higgins
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With Rolf Harris and the others like him I fail to understand how they could have a fair trial after all this time, unless there is forensic evidence it must boil down to she said and he said.
Someone like Saville is different as there seems to be so many and so much against him.
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Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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It will be similar evidence Jan, Rolf is just a more likeable character than Saville, as I understand he has not been charged yet.
Audere est facere.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i know that when they convicted jonathan king the police compiled evidence from the victims without them ever meeting each other. they all gave exact details of king's flat, his sexual technique and other details. the trial was nor reported until the verdicts were announced so the victims never knew what the fellow victims had said in court.
maybe the police have other victims to compare notes with about the bloke who ties down kangaroos.
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From what I have read, the evidence against RH is remorse, he is said to have written a letter saying sorry.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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But remorse for what Tom ?
Roger
Brian Dixon
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having sex with a bird roger,please keep up.
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Rolf Harris arrest lifts lid on Fleet Street's open secret
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North Wales child abuse: more than 140 people say they were victims
Police say alleged victims have identified 84 people as responsible for attacks between 1963 and 1992
Full report...
"More than 140 people have told police they were the victims of abuse at 18 children's homes across north Wales in offences spanning three decades.
The alleged victims, almost all men who were aged between seven and 19 at the time of the offences, have identified 84 people as responsible for the attacks said to have taken place between 1963 and 1992.
Sixteen of the 84 alleged perpetrators have been named more than once by alleged victims, according to north Wales police - but of those only six are still believed to be alive. One suspect has been arrested to date.
The scale of the alleged abuse was revealed on Monday in a National Crime Agency report on the progress of Operation Pallial, the huge criminal investigation ordered into north Wales care homes by David Cameron at the height of the sex abuse scandal last November.
Detective Superintendent Ian Mucahey, one of the officers leading Operation Pallial, said many alleged victims had "provided graphic accounts of abuse, in some cases of very serious criminality".
He said: "These are serious allegations that will be thoroughly investigated. We are prioritising our activities to ensure that any level of ongoing risk to the public is minimised."
In a press conference in north Wales on Monday, detectives said the alleged offences ranged from serious physical assaults to rape.
They said that most of the 140 alleged victims have described a "clear element of grooming with a serious abuse of trust and dereliction of duty of care".
They added in the Operation Pallial report: "Complainants have provided accounts of serious criminal offences committed against young and vulnerable people by adults charged with their care."
Police said 75 of the 84 people suspected of abuse were male and, of the 16 people repeatedly accused, only six are believed to be alive. Police expect to make more arrests within weeks as Operation Pallial enters "phase two", as detectives build evidence against key suspects.
Previously, many of the complaints were believed to relate to the now-closed Bryn Estyn care home in Wrexham - but now 18 institutions have been linked to offences.
Of the 140 alleged victims, 76 have made their first formal complaint since November."
For picture and 'live' links...
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Jimmy Tarbuck can not be Conservative or the `few`would be screaming..................................
``In all seriousness, what happened to innocent until proven guilty? Would it not be wise let the process take
it's course before condemning the man, irrespective of the allegations?``
SWWood- Location: Dover
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#232: If you are going to quote me from another thread, at least have the decency to credit it.
What I said on the Nigel Evans thread had nothing to do with politics. I just happen to believe that there have been far too many occasions where people have been happy to pre-judge someones guilt, whether they be a politician, DJ, actor, or any other profession. Remember Chris Jeffries?
To try to score political points about subjects like this is disgraceful.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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without wishing to be pedantic reg, tarbuck is a fully signed up blue. he confessed without the need for anyone to beat it out of him.
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Howard...................the screaming could start any minute.............
Keith Sansum1
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Jimmy tarbuck has never hidden the fsct of being a tory
coming from Liverpool is surprizing, but never the less doesn't matter where he came from he should be investigated and if guilty dealt with
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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who will be next?
most of us have wondered whether ken dodd's tickling stick was something unsavoury and will we ever find out what constitutes a "brucie bonus"?
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Published on May 13, 2013
An Australian woman who has battled depression, alcoholism and eating disorders says the course her life changed forever after she was allegedly sexually abused by Australian performer Rolf Harris
Rolf Harris' Accuser - Tonya Lee.
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Some background information on institutional child abuse...
"Independent on Sunday, 8th October 2000
by Christian Wolmar"
"The scandal that unfolded in British children's homes in the 1980s and 1990s is, on the face of it, inexplicable. A modern western nation with a tradition of caring for the weak - the birthplace of the welfare state - houses thousands of children in residential homes where they end up battered and sexually abused.."
"Even if one argues that there was a concentration of abuse in homes in the areas of the major inquiries (a proposition for which there is no evidence), and that some of the allegations under investigation are bound to be false, one could conservatively suggest that 2 to 3 per cent of all children who went into children's homes in the 1970s and 1980s were abused. The Tribunal of Inquiry headed by Sir Ronald Waterhouse found in February this year that at least 650 people had been abused in the children's homes of North Wales alone. Nationally, over two decades, it is not unreasonable to infer that, of the 600,000-700,000 children who went through children's homes, between 12,000 and 15,000 were abused.
The reasons for this epidemic are many and debatable. But one possible cause that has received little attention - and that seems particularly relevant to the question of why the epidemic occurred when it did - is the general tenor of the period in question, especially where sexual politics was concerned.
THE ROLE and function of children's homes changed dramatically between the mid 1960s and the early 1970s. As late as 1967, the service was very female dominated and most of the staff lived in the homes. The Williams committee, reporting on the staffing of residential homes that year, noted: "Two-thirds of people at present employed in residential homes are single women and one-third of all staff are over 50 years of age." All but 7 per cent of workers in the survey lived on the premises, which provided an important but barely noticed safeguard for the children..."
"...Encouraged by all these liberation movements, in October 1974 a group of paedophiles, who defined themselves as child lovers not necessarily interested in sex with children, formed the Paedophile Information Exchange [PIE] to "provide the means for paedophiles to feel less isolated and gain a sense of community". Their aim was also to "alleviate suffering of many adults and children" by campaigning against the laws on the age of consent, to allow adults to have sex with children. But knowing that this was an unpalatable message, they did not put it like that. Instead, they talked of the right of children to have sex at any age. If the Gay Liberation Front represented homosexuals and the feminist movement supported women, then paedophile activists were for children's rights..."
"...A social worker who has worked for many years on cases involving paedophiles reckons that the attempt to merge gay and paedophile issues was a deliberate attempt to muddy the waters: "They did it to prepare their defence, so that when they were arrested or there was a complaint, they could cry homophobia. It is a very useful charge for them. It can delay, subvert, divert investigations. This is a deliberate defence, particularly from the men who came up in the 1970s, many of whom knew each other."..."
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Stuart Hall sentencing live: Disgraced BBC broadcaster jailed for indecently assaulting 13 girls...
"The court is hearing statements in support of Stuart Hall's charity work from Dave Whelan, Wigan chairman and
Patricia Macmillan from the NSPCC."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/stuart-hall-sentencing-live-disgraced-1957981Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.