Referendum on the people's port
- 24 March 2011 00:4798388People who want the third option should have voted NO in the referendum. The question was quite clear. It was one question not two, the word 'and' in the middle should have been a vital clue.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- 24 March 2011 00:5198390Hang on Peter while we get another 5.000 word essay.
sorry for the one liner.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet. - 24 March 2011 00:5998395Ian, the 75% who do not agree with the p/p proposal or with the DHB proposal does not require a 5,000 word essay, it speaks clearly for itself!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 24 March 2011 01:0298396"The possibility that Dover's port may be up for sale in order to pay off a fraction of the State's national debt, and that private investors will be cashing in on a constant flow of traffic passing through Dover and using port facilities that are already fully functional, has led many local people to openly question the constitutional legality of port privatisation.
The 900 billion pound debt of the British Treasury, however, and the prospect that other British ports may also be sold to private owners, could mean that the democratic expression of the people might be overruled."
Surely this vote was a democratic expression of the people?
And surely the author of the above quote wouldn't be arguing for it to be overruled just because it didn't suit his views?
And guess who that author is? - 24 March 2011 01:1698398Ray, thank you for reading my article on Dover Port Sale. Do you like the photos I edited with it?
The democratic expression depends a lot on the wording of a poll, or referendum.
The article that you quote explains the royal charter status of Dover Harbour Board, and why it was set up, from below Shakespeare Cliff to the shore below the Castle. The constant movement of shingle into Dover Port required great expenses to be invested to keep the Port open, which Dover could not afford (Cinque Ports status).
So the special authority given to DHB excluded Dover having to invest in costly operations to keep the Port clear.
As for present day royal charter status, it remains so that DHB is responsible for Port infrastructure and maintenance.
My article also mentions that there is no Town revenue from the Port.
Ray, Constitution and Democracy, which the leading photo of the article proclaims, is all-important. We have a royal charter port-status, and only a democratic vote on this status, for example to maintain it and not allow port privatisation, would be an expression of Democracy within the Constitution.
That what the poll put forward today proposed two options, neither of which called for Dover Port to remain a royal charter (Dover Harbour Board).
So many people did not vote for either option.
Dear Ray, my articles would never speak out against me, but I am glad that you read them!
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 24 March 2011 01:4398407I am currently writing an 10,000 word post on this thread - I'm up to post #720 so far??? BONKERS was as much as I could manage for that post.
Seriously, if anybody can be bothered to go through the 19 pages on this thread then please edit it. In my estimation you'll be lucky to find one or two pages with any sense and the rest absolute nonsense. - 24 March 2011 02:1498411I think the 98% of the 25% who voted speak much more loud and clear than the 75% who could not be bothered to vote or who foolishly boycotted the poll. Certainly that is the message which will be taken on board by Whitehall as part of their decision making process.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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24 March 2011 02:1898412Absolutely Peter
Alex polls are not annulled under UK law because people cannot be bothered to vote, if they were we would rarely if ever get a single MP in the House of Commons, or councillors of any hue as in the vast majority of seats in the last 3 or 4 elections the turnout has been less than 50% by a huge margin.
The general consensus of the political classes in this country id that those who choose not to vote do so as they do not care for the question either way. If you genuinely cared and opposed the motion you should have voted against rather than abstained"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi - Ross Miller
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24 March 2011 02:1998413Absolutely Peter
Alex polls are not annulled under UK law because people cannot be bothered to vote, if they were we would rarely if ever get a single MP in the House of Commons, or councillors of any hue as in the vast majority of seats in the last 3 or 4 elections the turnout has been less than 50% by a huge margin.
The general consensus of the political classes in this country is that those who choose not to vote do so as they do not care for the question either way. If you genuinely cared and opposed the motion you should have voted against rather than abstained"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi - 24 March 2011 02:3198414Thanks Ross, you very eloquently turned the thread round with your explanation.
I was at a complete and absolutely frustrated loss with reading and trying to follow a discussion being overtaken by an individual with a (in my personal opinion) perverted sense of what's occurred. - 24 March 2011 02:5198420Ross, to have voted against the p/p plan would have meant voting for the DHB privatisatiuon plan, hence we did not vote! The people spoke cleary here: the numbers speak clearly.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 24 March 2011 03:0998425The numbers speak very clearly Alex, 25% turn-out and a 98% majority in favour. In your belief the 75% who didn't vote were all against - absolute tosh.
Everyone I've spoken with were in favour (as I've already stated) and a lot of those could not vote because they were unable due to various circumstances [which have already been explained by others] so... the figure in favour would have been even higher. - 24 March 2011 03:1698426Tony, it's pointless arguing with the poll results. They speak clearly for themselves.
P/p have thrown the dice, played their ace, and got 25%!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 24 March 2011 03:2498428OK Alex, you win - feel better now? You lost
GOODNIGHT
- 24 March 2011 08:1198433My god - Alex just give up, all you are doing is to further damage your credability. Surely even you are not dumb enough to believe the rubbish you are spouting.
- 24 March 2011 08:1798435What Alex has said is right,this was no victory at all ,please read my post on the front page,that tells the true story on what happen,as I told all of you last night and the MP.
- 24 March 2011 08:2098437Vic - you are so desperate. You lost, get over it.
- 24 March 2011 08:2698440No the facts are there in again,black and white only 25% of the public of the Dover TOWN WARDS TURNED
out to vote,and I would like to know also what wards had the best turnout./ - Jan Higgins
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24 March 2011 08:5098443If you are going to quote figures all it shows is that 75% did not vote, that does not mean they support your ideas Vic.
I did not vote because I did not have a postal vote, if I could have got out I would have voted YES.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 24 March 2011 09:0798444There are a great many like you Jan....