howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 February 2011
13:2094003i feel sure that this has been discussed here but cannot find the thread.
anyway there is a meeting at the dover town council offices on thursday the 3rd march at 6.00 pm.
the motion is that a referendum should be held to see if the people of dover agree that control of the port should be passed to the "people' port".
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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24 February 2011
13:4494006Well done with that info Howard..Im one who always needs reminding of these things.
Should make for a very interesting evening. The last meeting there on the Peoples Port was a very tense affair indeed....quite stormy. Charlie Elphicke got a bit of a roasting from team DHB in the shape of Bob Goldfield over his Peoples Port idea. It was a very feather ruffling occasion. Charlie's ideas were very new of course at the time.
Terry Nunn
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24 February 2011
14:0394007Considering the public interest in this (well I'm going anyway), I'm not sure that the DTC Chamber will be large enough.
Terry
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Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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24 February 2011
14:3894009Quick correction, the meeting is in the Town Hall, not the council offices, but still at 6:00pm on 3rd March.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
24 February 2011
14:5294010Will Charlie be attending?
Terry Nunn- Location: London Road, Dover
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24 February 2011
15:3594011That's better Chris, cheers.
Terry
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 February 2011
16:3094013will this meeting have much relevance though?
the two proposals are on the minister's desk, one of which to be rubber stamped imminently.
the referendum if approved will happen late march earliest, i cannot see a decision being overturned.
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24 February 2011
17:3294014Yes Bern, Charlie will be there even if I have to drag him by the scruff of his neck!
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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24 February 2011
17:3894015I though it would have been more correct to discuss if there should be a referendum on DHB's privatisation plan, as Charlie's people's port plan has never been made topic of public consultation by the Government, whereas the DHB privatisation proposal has.
It seems to me that the original public consultaion on DHB's plan has been hi-jacked by Charlie, who has put his own view forward as 'the only viable option'!
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24 February 2011
17:5094016If DHB (or anyone else for that matter) wants a referendum on their proposal they have to follow a couple of simple steps. 1. Petition the town council to hold a public meeting. 2. Convince enough people to support the motion for a referendum at that public meeting. 3. Submit wording for the referendum question to DDC. Simples.
Either way the result of the referendum will be persuasive but not binding.
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Keith Sansum1
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24 February 2011
18:0594017This proposal i'm surprized has the suppoprt of peter and co.
its totaly uncosted, and unlikely to go far.
thats not to say i don't support the idea of local commiunities having a bigger say
but costings need to come forward.
at the momednt it's pie in the sky stuff.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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24 February 2011
18:3994019It's not uncosted. I have a file of financial projections six inches thick. And large City and international financial institutions are backing it. But that's irrelevant. The purpose of the meeting on 3 March is to vote on whether a referendum is to be held on the future of the port. Nothing more. If you want the town's opinion to be taken into consideration when ministers decide the port's future, turn up and vote for a referendum. Otherwise vote against. Your choice. It's called democracy.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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24 February 2011
18:4494020Peter
I'm afraid i'm unwilling to vote for an uncosted proposal, so if i can get there i wouldn't be voting for it until these details are known
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Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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24 February 2011
18:4594021What gave you that impression Keith?
Never give up...
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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24 February 2011
18:4894023Now there is my problem 'The People's Port' will be run by Large city and International financial institutions....not a People's Port so any of those people who put in thier £10 will see all the profits disappear to the City or abroad.
What difference does that make to flog it off to the highest bidder,not that I think it should be sold at all.and if I put my tenner or more into the scheme what if anything would I get back and what say would I have.I fear the answer to both is nothing,so it will not be a People's Port but belong to a financial instituion doing less than DHB do now,no doubt run from a large office complex in the City or Singapore not Dover.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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24 February 2011
18:4894024at the moment the stuff that i have seen is an assumption of people taking up shares or so called bobnds or whatever the name is
and no costs as if this doesn't happen how the shortfall will be found.
it's all good to assume every member of the public will contribute
but in reality the take up will be likely to be very small
and it's this cash flow coming into millions of pounds that im afraid i cannot afford nor do i wish to pay for
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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24 February 2011
18:5094025Keith, read what I wrote. You would not be voting for any proposal. You would bs voting for or against the holding of a local rdferdndum on the subject.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 February 2011
18:5594028peter
you have previously said that the idea could be blown out of the water by the minister/s involved unable to grasp the concept.
what would be the point of a referendum if the decision is made soon ?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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24 February 2011
18:5694030peter
i do understand on the referendum, better planned would probably get more support.
but okay let's see what happens
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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24 February 2011
19:2094034The point of a referendum is to persuade the minister one way or the other. Local opinion is important and politicians ignore it at their peril. The minister knows a referendum is on the cards and she would be daft to pre-empt it with a decision either way.
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