Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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I have spoken to three people this morning that were unable to vote because of work and family commitments but who would have voted yes. There are many more like them in the town who were unable to because of the reasons already stated (over and over again). In the short time available 25% is an excellent turn out.
Vic, Black and White is fine but go to the photo's on the front page and see the many wonderful colours in the world seen by the rest of us.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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If what you had said was true,we would have seen a 75%turnout with a 25% working ,or could not vote because of the timings.
Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Putting fingers in ears and shouting "La-la! It's not happening!" is, I'm afraid, simply delusional. 25% is a flipping good turn out. As has been pointed out, the fact that 75% of people didn't vote is simply not an indicator of the level of opposition to the Peoples Port. Yes, granted, some people don't give a fig, but others were working through the voting window, physically couldn't get the stations, were on holiday, need a postal vote and couldn't vote for a multitude of other reasons. It simply is not black and white - that's just simplistic.
For idiots like me (who can't be bothered to read through 37 pages of polemics and histrionics), what is the next step? What happens next?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Phil you have agood point there "What happens next" I put that to our MP only last night. He told me he will now go back to the house and put up his case for the port, saying he now has the backing of the public of Dover.
But that would not be true he does not have the backing of the town wards behind him only 25% of it, and none from the bigger area of the District where most of the public of Dover live.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Vic the question voted on yesterday contained two propositions. Only people who could agree with BOTH propositions voted YES. It therefore follows that people who disagree with EITHER proposition must have voted NO. People who oppose both DHB's plans and the Peoples Port should therefore have voted NO.
Additionally, it is an over-riding principle of democracy that if you do not vote, your opinion will not be taken into account. If you feel strongly one way or the other yet deliberately abstain, you will be ignored, and it will be your own fault.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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As I have put on the front page all you got last night was 25% of the six Town wards of Dover,there are over 45wards in the District Peter, with most of the voting public in the Dover and District not taking part in last nights poll you can not call that victory.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Vic - this is getting tiresome, you are not doing yourself any good at all with this increasingly absurd and discredited argument.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Your understanding of the democratic process is incomplete, Vic.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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phil
the vote is purely ammunition for our honourable member to aim at the government.
on another thread(probably on all threads) the argument is that the prime minister trumpets"big society" and "localism", now he can show whether he is committed to it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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apologies for the poor quality of shots, couldn't get too close because of television crew.
charlie and neil doing a celebratory interview and photo shoot this morning in town.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Jan, please compare your post 700 to 739.
In post 700 you say you voted, in post 739 you say you could not vote owing to the absence of postal votes!
It is clear that now, the p/p supporters are pulling out any excuse to claim that 75% of the people in Dover did not vote because they could not! Who will believe that now, Jan?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Phil, what will happen next is that MP Charlie Elphicke cannot claim to have the support of Dover behind his p/p trust proposal. 75% did not vote for it.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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You missed the point Alex. In 700 Jan said her yes vote was not missed i.e. it was not cast!
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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alex
You are wrong! It means that 75% are quite happy to let democratically elected MP and the citizens decide whats best for Dover. A Pontius Pilate move...
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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You surprise me, Marek!
The MP Charlie Elphicke cannot make any decision regarding Dover Port.
The decision must be made by the Secretary of State for Transport, no-doubt with a larger approval from Parliament, although this last part of this statement is not clear.
Perhaps the Secretary of State does not need wider parliamentary approval, I am not at all sure on this.
But the MP cannot make any legal decision regards the future of Dover Port.
If the p/p should claim he can, it would be legally challenged. I take it that you are not officially campaaigning for the p/p and are not part of its committee.
But your post 754 is from another world, Marek!
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Alex
True... I cannot dispute the last line of your post. It's quite nice living on another non EU member planet.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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And only 113 people out of the entire population of Dover voted against it. So actually while 75% didn't vote for it, 99.5% didn't vote against.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Alex you say Marek is 'from another world' - well lets have a reality check here.
Let me see,
there is Alex and Vic,
then against you we have:
Me, Marek, Peter G, Howard, Phil, Chris P, Jan H, Tony, Ross, ray N, Ian.....
Now let me see, just who is in 'another world'...
The People's Port has brought together people from left, right and the centre of politics and those who are not political at all. Labour activists and Tories on the same side, me on the same side as the Unions even......
What an achievement.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Marek said 'decide what's best' not 'decide what will happen'. You, Alex, have also decided what's best for Dover and your decision is at odds with somewhere between 25 and 99.5 percent of the electorate.
If you seek an alternative outcome then get organised and try to make it happen. Perhaps Dr Goldfield could give you a job as a PR consultant.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Years ago there was a horse race on the TV,it had about 15runners in it,as they came round a bend there was a fence in the middle of the track 14 of the horse,s went to the leftside of the fence and one horse went to the right of the fence,for the rest of the race the reporter was saying that horse will be disqualify for going the wrong way,at the end of that race and the results went up ,it was the lone horse that won the race the other 14 were the ones that got disqualify.
