Peoples port community project
- Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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3 July 2012 08:19181158For those that have been following these proposals from all sides and are like me just looking for the best result for locals.
It has to be said that the D.H.B. are playing some good cards,ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 3 July 2012 10:41181202Sorry folks there is only proposal on the table i.e. DHB's. The decision Minister has only to accept, modify or reject the DHB proposal. End of story.
Watty - 3 July 2012 11:16181207Hi Paul, you make it sound like no-one's submissions (including DDCs) will be considered or that they even matter....of course this is what the DHB exec would like everyone to believe and also why everyone who is interested in the port and the future of Dover and the port needs to carefully read the DHB's revised proposal (not the publicity fluff that they posted out, but the proposal itself) and make their submissions on it.
DPPT has put forward an alternative route for the future of the port as part of the consultation process and made an offer to buy the port if (now when) DHB decide to continue with a private equity sale. Our offer to buy the port cannot be considered by the Minister until after the DHB proposal and request for transfer has been decided on, that is true, but our alternative vision for the future ownership and governance of the port can and will be considered by the Minister as part of the consultation and the Minister could decide to modify the DHB proposal accordingly. Alternative views put forward by Alexander and others will also be considered by the Minister as part of the consultation and these also may be incorporated as modifications to the DHB proposal by the Minister.
Submissions from stakeholders and interested parties matter and will be considered, may be used as part of the reasoning to reject the DHB proposal or may be incorporated as modifications to the DHB proposal made by the Minister. To suggest otherwise is not in the best interests of Dover, the Port or the District and I know that you have those best interests at heart. - 3 July 2012 13:05181232Neil, I'm not writing about submissions, even DDC's.
As I stated it is only the DHB proposals on the table that will be decided.
Whether it be Yes, Modified or No. the Transport Minister, Theresa Villiers has the final say .
Dover needs this decision.
I hope local people will read the documentation & respond appropriately.
Watty - 3 July 2012 13:19181237Thanks for the clarification.
- 3 July 2012 13:28181239Sorry to change tack here, but back briefly to the Deal bandstand question of Howard's a couple of pages ago. Deal has a very active bandstand organisation and around 20,000 people can be expected for the big one, the annual visit of the Royal Marines to Walmer Green Sunday after next, July 15.
Always a fab day - in fact Deal's best day, especially if the sun shines.
http://www.dealbandstand.org/id1.html
Cheers,
Andy
PS: Over to you again now Neil - good luck by the way... - 3 July 2012 13:49181242DHB made a transfer request for privatisation of the Port of Dover.
The public consultation allowed for representations to be sent in.
DPPT, DDC, and all others who took up the offer made their own representation(s), which can determine whether the Decisions Minister will accept, modify or reject the original DHB proposal, as Paul W states.
So basically we're talking of the DHB submission on one part of the table, and the relevant representations on the other side of the same table.
Each relevant representation has nominally the same value, but it would be interesting to see whether the Decisions Minister would give explanations as to why each representation was either accepted or rejected.
I'm not too sure how this works, and whether this is part of the technical procedure in public consultations run by the State.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
Rule Britannia!
Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 3 July 2012 13:50181243Thanks Andy.
Port of Dover papers - PDCT reserved matters:
Veto
In order to enhance the rights attaching to the PDCT's equity stake, it is proposed that the PDCT
should benefit from a right of veto in relation to:
1. the sale by the Company of all or a major part of the statutory harbour undertaking of the
Port of Dover (other than as part of an internal group reorganisation);
2. variations or reductions of share capital (including share buy-backs) which are designed to
return capital to investors otherwise than on a pro rata basis to all shareholders;
3. alteration of the Company's name or its registered office;
4. amendments to the Company's Articles of Association to the extent that such
amendments adversely impact on the PDCT's rights as a shareholder (including any
amendments to the articles relating to Partnership Directors);
5. the disapplication of pre-emption rights; and
6. any forced transfer of PDCT's shares (unless such transfer is required as a matter of law).
Looks good doesn't it? Well except for item 1 which basically negates the rest if the new owners decide to transfer ownership overseas as part of a group re-organisation. And then - read on and the above become just so many meaningless words.
The document continues:-
The scope of the consent matters listed in this note may need to be amended in the run up to
privatisation in order to reflect regulatory requirements or developments (for example in order to
satisfy UKLA/EU Prospectus rules and/or Takeover Panel requirements (if applicable)) or
commercial discussions with potential investors.
Erm
- and I paraphrase - so we give these rights of veto to you but reserve the right to disapply all or some of them or change them as we see fit after we have received the go ahead from Government to privatise and no one is in a position to challenge us anymore.
This is the real measure of significant and enduring that the DHB wish to see the community have over the future strategic direction and development of the port - none. - Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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4 July 2012 08:27181313I think for a change paulw is right here, and it will be interesting to see how the cobbled together govt comes to a decision.
It realy has gone on a long time, and maybe a quicker decision is required.
should the D.H.B. be rejected(that remains unclear) then we go through the peoples port proposal(thats if the govt accepts that)a long process againALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 4 July 2012 09:37181335thanks for info neil, like keith i just wish a decision could be made so that the town can move on.
the current state of limbo does nothing to encourage inward investment. - Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
4 July 2012 10:18181344dover has been in limbo for the last 70 years. - 4 July 2012 17:211813782 questions from me that no doubt have been answered somewhere else on this thread but the final decision would be made by the time i tracked them down.
1) what would happen to those lovely buildings currently falling to bits near the subway?
2) would more use be made of the promenade e.g. french markets/flea markets, vintage car ralleys etc?
this is if the people's port bid is ultimately successful. - 4 July 2012 21:57181408The ones on the DHB side? Renovation, restoration and a return to economically beneficial activity - various use options are laid out in DPPT's 'Vision for Regeneration' Brochure published last year. There should be a few copies around, I had some more printed today and left a couple with DTC, and some key extracts from the document I have now placed on the DPPT website.
The non-operations related promenade will become a community amenity space, the sort of activities that you started to list in question 2 would be encouraged. Again, these sort of uses for this area are suggested in the DPPT brochure mentioned above.
"Community Engagement and Culture
The following are additional project options that DPPT RegenCo may either be able to initiate , facilitate or support, working in conjunction with other relevant local bodies involved in regeneration:
Introduce locals to the heritage and culture of the town through regular media reporting, local adult education courses, outings for local schools, pubs, senior citizens etc.Improve the marketing/awareness/usage of the current heritage facilities Introduce annual events that entrench the town's heritage in the town's calendar, e.g. Dover Day, Roman festival, a Viking boat race etc.Share the rich cultural heritage of the Dover Harbour Board with the town, e.g. exhibit the art collection of the Harbour Board as is the case for the Port of London Authority's collection which is managed by the Museum of London.Allow space on the waterfront for a monthly market, e.g. a farmers' market (the people of Dover are keen horticulturalists as is evident from the large number of allotments throughout the town), create a 'Garden of England Market' featuring local produce, an English Crafts Market, antique markets, etc.Establish local volunteer schemes for the town's archaeological digs. Utilise the scheme established by the Museum of London, and the statistical review which shows the successful engagement of local unemployed in such schemes.Promote adult education, supported by consequential social enterprise. Support/ launch Art and music events.Establish virtual office centres. Create service centres for local business people in the outlying villages, enabling them to work at home with a business support hub in Dover.Consider what sport-based projects could be developed and consider links with Olympics and Para-Olympics for inspiration."
I just await comments from the nay-sayers and cynics now. - Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,707
5 July 2012 01:13181414Thanks Neil
Howard the buildings and vacant lots on the town side are not owned by DHB, one is part of the late Jimmy Godden's estate (I believe it has passed to his daughter) and I am not aware of the owner of the empty plot next to the Funky Monkey, the site of The Britannia is part of the DTIZ and is now owned by the developers of that site and is certainly included in the plans"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi - 5 July 2012 06:39181417The old Britannia site is outside the DTIZ area. The only land west of the Dour to be included is the vacant lot beside 10 King St and (for some reason) the two garages which front onto White Horse Lane.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- 5 July 2012 06:45181418How can I find out more about this 'social value calculator'?
- 5 July 2012 08:38181425the buildings i am referring to are the ones in cambridge terrace that used to house wccp and social services.
- Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
5 July 2012 08:41181427i think they are/where owned by dhb howard. - Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,707
5 July 2012 09:39181438Thanks for the info Peter
Howard - then I think Neil has answered it"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi - 5 July 2012 09:44181440DT1,
think of a number..............