howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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surely if the other concerts are doing well then someone at dover town council should contact their counterpart in deal to find out their secret?
we have had some very good bands playing in front of a handful of people, will be interesting to see the turn out next sunday when neil returns with the silver band.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
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The answer is straightforward Howard, none of it is organised by a council.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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We should never only think of the financial aspect of any decision that is made.
From a purely business point of view all take overs,acquisitions etc the highest bidder wins and if it ends up as an auction
the organisation with the biggest bank account will win.
How would PDCT match the buying power of other interested parties ?
Mr Osborne is in need of all the cash he can muster after the last`U` turn on Fuel which cost £ 500 million alone....
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the government will go for the biggest bid in my view, maybe our newest member will give his/her point of view.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Hi Reg, there is now a 'Social Value' calculator available through the Dept for Communities. It was this calculator that ARUP used when calculating that £15m cash into the PDCT over 5 years would be worth £90m to the community. Also enshrined in government guidelines (and I think law now as well) is that bids for government contracts and for the purchase of publicly owned assets no longer go to the highest cash bidder but to the bidder whose combined cash and Social Value bid is the biggest.
In the case of DHB and OUR port, if DHB get a 'minded to approve' (which we sincerely trust that they do not), then the highest conforming bid would be the one that offers the most combined cash and social value. DHB have already proscribed the Social Value for bids which conform to their model and on the basis of the Social Value calculator, this will be £90m. Add to that then the cash offer of maybe £250m for the equity and the private sector bid would be counted as being worth £340m.
Using the same Social Value calculator plus the cash offer that has been made by DPPT, we get a total bid value in excess of £500m. The simple fact is, that no private sector bid can match one made by a community cooperative in terms of cash plus social value and the DHB are desparate to remain in charge of the process so that they can exclude a community cooperative/mutual on the grounds that it is a non-conforming bid and then sell to the private equity group that they choose after a 'fair and open' bid process.
The Ports Act, in regard to Trust Ports, is an ass of a piece of legislation. No public corporation or independent statutory body should be allowed to write the rules on its own sale and then be in charge of the process of sale.
Let's ensure that the DHB get a 'not minded to approve' from the decision Minister and then sort out the future ownership and governance of the port under the provisions of the Public Bodies Act.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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lets hope we get some more viewsftom the new board member
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i am eagerly awaiting that too keith, always best to get all sides of a story.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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dont hold your breath though,it can cause a serious complaint with no cure.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Thankyou for your response Neil.
You have without doubt a complex campaign.
You`ve had and will continue to have many moves to cover and to counteract and as always in campaigns the opposition
hold the majority of the cards.
In wishing you the best of luck in your efforts I have to add that although cash and social value should produce `Best
Value`at the end `talk is cheap and money buys houses`and so far Mr Osborne has not been very hot on `social
values`
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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reg
i wish good luck to the side tat will benefit Dover
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Thank you, Keith.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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not sure why you are thanking me peter
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Just received with post DHB`s `short brief on ```Privatisation scheme``
``Under the Board`s proposal the new Port of Dover Community Trust ( PDCT ) will hold a
substantial stake in the business,giving local people a real interest in the future growth and success
of the Port.The PDCT will also receive a large cash endowment out of the proceeds of privatisation,
to be used to support the regeneration of Dover.Two Board directors of the privatised company will
be appointed with special responsibility to ensure that the local community has a long-term influence
in the development of the Port.``
# 156...157..158..159.....
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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got one through myself and couldn't really see the point of it, the decision will be made by politicians and civil servants with no input from the public.
just seems to be a waste of money.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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DHB suggest that approx 8% holding in a private equity company is significant. That a tradable share is enduring and that £10m now and £5m to come is a lot of money for regeneration. Their actual proposal, rather than the glossy PR that dropped on our mats this morning, shows that the community interest and involvement in the future of the port is anything but significant or enduring and the wording surrounding all apparent community protections is such that they can all be undone, redacted, erased, changed in whatever way they wish if they get the 'minded to approve' and the new owners decide to do things differently.
Howard, without input from the Public we would already have been saddled with DHB's first offer from 2 years ago. If we, the public don't like the idea of our port being owned by remote private equity and with the sop of a few £m over the first 5 years, then it is up to each one of us to make our own submissions to the Ministry rejecting privatisation as proposed by the DHB. Politicians and Civil Servants do play a game of numbers and if they think that they can slip something through due to a fog of apathy, they will. If it is clear that there are very significant numbers of people awake, on the ball and prepared to make a sufficiently loud noise, but who are also prepared to be constructive and find an alternative way forward, then they are more likely to listen.
DHB execs and directors are well aware of this and want everyone to believe that the DHB way will win out, that there is nothing that we, as private citizens, can do to stop the port being sold. The fewer people that make submissions, the more likely that a DHB future awaits us all. Public input WILL make a difference here, the more input from the public, the greater the difference.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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disagree neil, we have two major bids in place from the community port and the peoples port plus several other proposals from alex and others.
anymore public input merely delays a final decision meaning investors don't have any confidence in moving things forward.
the cable car is just one example.
Ross Miller
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- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Are you deliberately missing the point?
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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That's tight, Neil, everything that could be proposed has been submitted, any further input would be confusing.
We have the People's Port bid, the Community Port bid, and several other proposals.
We must move on and leave it to the decisions minister to make a decision.
DHB have done their lobbying, DPPT have done lobbying, I've done lobbying, and whoever else lobbied did so too, such as Vic, who wrote to the queen.
We must be brave and stand up to the final decision
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Ross - that is often the case.
DT1- Location: Dover
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I completely support out bid.
I would like to know more about 'the social calculator'. I've never heard of it, how does it work?