Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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#139 by organising behind a clever, well thought out, well researched and intellectually supported alternative and diverting the momentum down a far more beneficial route. It can be done, it has been done and it will be done again.
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That's fine if you see it coming, Neil, as we did.........
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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excellent post 141 neil, do you know someone that can do all those things?
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Good Luck Neil.......we do know the ``struggle``.........if you do find that someone or group who can do all those things
ask them to join the Hospital Campaign.
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Could it be that the delegation from Taiwan were over to check out the port as prospective purchasers?
Has anyone else mentioned this or am I stating the obvious or even the unmentionable?
Never give up...
Keith Sansum1
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Neil
i thought charlie was highlighting his political campaign on the peoples port?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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already been mooted by various people richard, and the press release went out at the same time as the new proposal from dhb went to the department of transport by coincidence.
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do you blame them????
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Ross Miller
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Funnily enough yes
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 145....your not alone Richard,it was mentioned on Hospital thread.....
This also applies to `charlie in da house` &`Peoples Port`.
Unfortunately Big Business and large Organisations decide what will happen years before we the public and groups can
muster resistance to any controversial projects.
Once the public are aware of the project the momentum of Big Business and Large Organisations is such that even the
support of an MP on your side and consultation after consultation the momentum can only be delayed.
Unfortunately we will not get our deserved Hospital it will be a clinic on a carpark and sadly our port will end up in foreign
hands.
No I am not a defeatist or have given up trying but it is a fact of history.
Only with universal public support do we have a chance of success.
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Of course DHB have been lining up a preferred bidder, whilst they are duplicitous and have no interest in the Town, they are not fools and they will always look after their self interest. We were fortunate that it came out early enough in the process and the process itself is long winded enough that opposition to a trade sale was able to be raised and a viable alternative proposal has been tabled.
As for the hospital - a population centre the size of Dover's does not meet the criteria for a hospital these days, irrespective of any "special considerations"; due to lots of well known reasons and interventions even the proposed poly-clinic is in doubt and its build (if it happens) significantly delayed - but that is sadly in the past...
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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As the Treasury needs revenue and this Government appears to want to Privatise everything that moves do you agree
the Market place will decide what happens ?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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2 bits to this thread;l
1; I'm no more convinced of the peoples port proposals as i am the D.H.B. ones
hipefully whoever wins will be in thre interest of us geezers who live here
and the wider commiunity
2; hosdpital sad let down by so many
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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A Dover Hospital would serve wider than Dover District.Our other Hospitals are/have been for sometime overstretched,
out-patients and car parks cannot cope.The Health Department`s criteria figures always quoted are beyond their sell-by
date.......we need a Hospital..
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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on the subject of the hospital think you have a point there reg on the wider community
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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reading the eggs press earlier there was an article on the latest submission on the community port by d.h.b.
didn't seem to be any great changes other than the shares being "tradeable", i don't understand how this would affect the running of the port though.
more interesting was a photo of neil posing like one of those smouldering hollywood leading men of yesteryear.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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heres a thing
a likely outcome;
D.H.B. win the bid
and to pacify the peoples port they set aside some positions for the peoples port to take up on there board
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It`s been known to happen.
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DHB have singularly failed to create an enduring and significant influence and stake by the community in the future strategic direction and development of the port and the DfT, Minister for Ports and Shipping and the Secretary of State are all on the record as saying that no request for privatisation under the 1991 Act will get approval unless there are such provisions which go beyond the cosmetic. This will be demonstrated through submissions, analysis and representations from ourselves and many other stakeholders during this 'consulltation' phase.
DPPT was not formed or constituted for personal gain and none of the Directors is in the least bit interested in personal aggrandisement or advancement. The DHB scheme is bad in the medium to long term for the port, bad for the ferry companies, bad for the port's workers, bad for the general cargo operators and bad for the communities of Dover and its surroundings. In the unlikely event that the ephemeral nature of DHB's provisions escapes the notice of the decision Minister and the DHB are allowed to proceed with a sale to remote private equity interests, it is unlikely that 1) there will be any positions for DPPT members in the new owner's structure or 2) any prominent member of the DPPT would endorse a venture against which they have campaigned for so long and so hard by joining it (certainly I, for one, will never endorse the sale of the Port of Dover to remote private equity interests).
Throughout the remaining time between now and the announcement of a decision I will be utilising every legal means that I know of to ensure that the DHB scheme is unsuccessful and that the future of the port is secured for good and all from the whims of politicians and executives and that it becomes owned by the peoples of Dover District in perpetuity.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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all very eloquent neil but us laypersons will be lost with the business speak.
does tradeable mean handing over to private equity?
i have a gut feeling that the community port chaps are playing with words.
