Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Hi DT1, Mark has it
But seriously, I've been trying to find the link to it again.
Page 10 of the pdf that comes up on the attached link gives the percentage returns used
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/regeneration/pdf/1795657.pdf
Also look at page 12.
I'm still looking for the link to the actual online calculator...I should have book marked it last year when it first appeared.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Ross, Peter,
DDC own the old Britannia site & the former site next to it.
Both sites are required for a future Waterfront development which includes or is separate from the T2 proposals. This also includes the cable car development.
Watty
Ross Miller
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Thanks Paul W - any timescales on that?
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#223, roflmao.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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I know - but one has to ask
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Peter, what does that mean in understandable English?
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Ross, in reply to 223. It's a matter of Transport Minister decision. Everybody is in a state of limbo!!
Watty
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Social Value Calculator?
Might that be this...
http://www.arkpeople.com/algorithm.htm
N.B.
I think you can only put yourself through it via Facebook.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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226- Rolling On Floor Laughing My Ass Off.
228- I see at the bottom right of the pyramid, the importance of a good dump is recognised!
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Peter, fair enough. we all know where we stand.
Eatty
DT1- Location: Dover
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Oh the irony Tom!
Going through Facebook to calculate your social value. A site that drains society of any value, allowing millions of people to look at strangers' holiday snaps and shallow status updates that give off the illusion of being interesting.
I'm sure Arup would use something a little more sophisticated?!
That being said, I am slightly sceptical of such a calculation. Although I fully agree with the notion of social capital, I am not so sure it is easily defined in hard cash - just by it's very nature. The old 'price of everything, value of nothing' thing.
I would like to know more.
On a lighter note, such a calculation would be very useful when making decisions about certain events such as weddings. I'm often torn, but at least if I could place a value on such things, I would be able to take a more objective approach.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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DT1, I am with you with regards to the calculator. However, as DHB are using such measures to promote the social value of their offering, then I think it only fair to point out that even if the community stakeholders (DDC, DTC, etc.) accept the latest 'offer' from DHB of an additional £10m for PDCT if they ask for it as part of an acceptance of the DHB privatisation, then the DHB proposal still falls short of the Social Value of the DPPT offer by some considerable margin using the same calculator.
The value to Dover and Dover District of ownership of 100% of the port in perpetuity (one of DPPT's key objectives) is immeasurable and DHB's offering is as a candle against the sun in comparison. Bob and the crew at DHB view the Port of Dover as a mere commodity to be bought, sold, traded and bartered away whilst enriching those doing the selling.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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this has been said a lot about the hierarchy getting a big pay off, do we know this to be true or is it just an assumption.
the reason i ask is that the port is not theirs to sell it is a trust port.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Hopefully the following information will supply answers.
Today I received an update from the Department for Transport.
This part of the information sent to me seems to be relevant to the various points and questions raised lately on the thread:
"The Decision Minister will be the Rt. Hon. Theresa Villiers MP. Her role is to consider the transfer scheme put forward by Dover Harbour Board against the criteria that was published in August 2011.
Her role will be to reach an objective decision on the proposal from Dover Harbour Board based on the information the Board has provided and the representations that have been received on the proposal."
If I understand rightly, whatever DHB propose as a change to present Board regulation, must be presented in their submission, and must be in line with the criteria published in August 2011.
Therefore, if anyone thinks they have a point to make to the Decision Minister, they can send a representation to the Department for Transport.
The closing date for comments is 27th July 2012.
In fact, the information from London also says: "There is a period where anyone may comment on the proposals, which ends on 27 July."
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Indeed Alex.
I think I have posted your official response more than twice here.
Watty
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Paul, Alex, all, DPPT have consistently said throughout that this is the case and have never suggested otherwise. I've spent a great deal of time and effort encouraging everyone to read the DHB proposal as submitted to the Minister and make individual and group submissions whilst the consultation period remains open. However, we also want people to know that there is an alternative to privatisation that will remove the future of the port from the avarice of executives, national and regional politicians and place it in the ownership of the people of Dover and the surrounding area in perpetuity whilst allowing the port to access the funds that it requires to invest in development.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The people of Dover and the surrounding area, Neil.
That's a good question I pose here: which surrounding area? Regeneration from Dover Port is generally intended, in both DHB and DPPT catalogues, as being meant for Dover, not Deal, Sandwich and the villages.
Has all this changed now, and is Deal being offered regeneration too?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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hopefully there will be an answer to 233, if not then all of the talk in town has been without foundation.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Alexander, my post #236 is about ownership of the port in perpetuity, not regeneration.
The Regeneration agenda is a somewhat different, but related, subject which I have gone into some detail on before and has as its initial focus the very place that has suffered most from the success of the port and the extremely poor port-city relationship that has been fostered by the current incumbants in Harbour House. That is not to say that the surrounding area will be excluded from regeneration projects if those projects can demonstrate an appropriate benefit to the largest single, and most deprived, population centre in the District. The DPPT brochure is clear in stating that the initial FOCUS for regeneration will be Dover starting at the waterfront and in the Town Centre, Dover is currently most in need and has, to date, been most neglected. The regeneration of Dover will be of benefit to the entire District and, as the DPPT model would deliver OWNERSHIP in perpetuity to the communities of Dover and the District, there is a great deal of time available to shift the focus of regeneration projects when other areas become more needy than Dover. The benefits of ownership will continue to flow into Dover and the entire District perpetually under the communitisation model, not reduce and fizzle out as it would under the private equity model.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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But we have to remember, Neil, we haven't reached the finals between two competing teams. Presently, the Decision Minister is looking into the sole DHB submission, and the many representations that have landed, and still will land, on her desk.