Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Neil, you write:
"linking to rail would be an important consideration for any serious potential owner/operator of the port."
That explains my thoughts: The Department for Transport knew I made a good proposal there, and now they have possibly decided to hide my name and proposal away, so that it comes from someone else and not from me during a public consultation in early 2010.
Perhaps they are ashamed of me, and perhaps my port-toll proposal will also be consigned over to another.
And possibly my proposal for a transfer free of charge from central to local government, resulting in the Port of Dover being free of debt and free of private creditors, will also be handed over to another.
So I am to be arse-landed then!
Did Charlie Elphicke MP see to this?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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But then politics!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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But anyway, thanks for telling me I am not part of the public consultation, that I "ignored it".
So my replies from London are worthless then?
And there was me telling my mum! Wonder what she will think now!
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I have a theory. Alex is really William Donaldson who created Henry Root. Alexander D is his online persona.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I bet you a pint of beer, Neil, that you would soon come out with the carbon emissions law idea, once I was comfortably excluded.
Jan Higgins
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Neil, I hope it will be successful as well because I am for your bid unlike Alexander hence my comment.
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Thanks for linking my smiley to the right post Jan :-)
Guest 643- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Totally agree with you Jan #46.
Having read this whole thread through I have to say that I understand all that Richard, Neil and Peter have posted but Alex's posts did my head in!
There's always a little truth behind every "Just kidding", a little emotion behind every "I don't care" and a little pain behind every "I'm ok".
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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neil
re; 36
the people putting up the money for the bid would only do so if they were pretty certain that the bid would be successful.
that would suggest that the dppt propsal had been given the nod.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Don't want to be technical Howard but there is no bid for consideration.
DfT have to dispose of DHB proposal before anything else happens.
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i had actually forgotten about that bit paul.
on another note barry referred earlier in the thread about the possibility of dubai buying the port if the dppt proposal fails.
what is to say that dubai or another money bags are not among the backers of the dppt bid?
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Doubt if Dubai would be allowed as they are owners of P&O. Monopolies etc.
Watty
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Hi Howard, whilst I'm confident that DPPT will be successful, no nods have yet been received
Watty is perfectly correct, and this is something that I've also said before, the DHB has to be dealt with by the DfT first under the 1991 Act's process and in that process the DPPT has made its own submissions and played a full part in the still ongoing consultations just as Watty has himself.
Personally I doubt Dubai would be interested even if they were allowed. Dover turnover is less than a quarter of their smallest asset and the cargo mix is way off their normal port acquisition profile.
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DPPT's funding structure will be 100% debt. DPW's investment structure has always been and will always be, close to 100% equity, so another big mismatch there.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Seems DPPT is making conflicting statements: one member says there is a bid from Dubai, another makes an official denial of such bid existing.
Peter, that DPPT would have the Port of Dover in a 100% debt situation, has been known to me since August 2010.
I assume the next step in DPPT's plan, after proposing a rail link to attract private investment from rail companies, is to then ask for a port toll to pay the debt off!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
the dubai thing was a "for instance" as far as i can tell.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Of course they would Alex as would DHB under present model no doubt. They are using DHB property.
Watty
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That's interesting, Paul, in post 57.
Perhaps Neil could explain to us there what his view is on that.
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#58, Alex that's an easy one. You don't invest millions in such infrastructure without a strategy to get your investment back! And before you try to call that an official statement, it is a generalisation about such projects.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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Are you referring to port-tolls, Peter?