Hello.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Hello Bern.
Looks like a case of keep your head down and keep your mouth shut and it will go away.
We can try bringing this to the top every now and again, but if we don't get any further, what's the next step.
Do we know if Charlie got anywhere ? I'm sure if it had still been Gwyn as MP, he would have rattled someone's cage.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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not worth their bother roger they get £8 a week expenses,not worth being shot at for.
sheila doesn't even claim hers and got a mouthful on here.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I wouldn't say Sheila got a mouthful Howard - or shot at, not at all. I think Sheila works very hard and is a good Councillor and community person, I don't agree with her decision on this though at all; I'd never slag her off either.
Roger
Guest 652- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Thank you for that Roger, regarding the Honorary Freeman, there is a limit, once that limit is reached the Town Council can issue no more, it can also choose not to give anyone the award, if we go down this root, we would once again loose the right for us as a town to choose anybody, this would be a great shame, as this was fought hard for to get this award back for the town.
Now I have said all I am going to say on this matter, you asked and I gave you my reason for voting against, and would do the same again, there are people here in Dover that work for the benefit of the town and its people and do not seek glory, (ie) like Dick Liggitt, even our Scotchie, but that is my opinion
Sheila did not get a mouthful, quite the reverse. People were rightly respectful of her views while disagreeing with them.Are we not allowed now to disagree with the reps without being accused of discourtesy?
I still do not understand the reasons for not awarding the freedom of Dover to Lord Boyce. I cannot believe it was simply because there were too many already. But what do I know - no-one is explaining it.
Guest 652- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Bern
There are still places for Honorary Freeman, I was just saying once the limit is reached we cannot allow anymore, until one that has been awarded dies, John Turnpenny died just recently so now his Freemanship is back on the books so to speak, and I agree everyone is entitled to freedom of speech, if we didn't have it where would this country be
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Franz Kafka would have a field day on this thread.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the thread does have a kafkaesque feel to it, no skin off his nose though.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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Why would Gwyn have rattled a few cages,it was a free vote,and if you look at least 50 % of the Tory Councillors voted against by the look at it,will Charlie lean on them! This had nothing to do with Party Politics as I said it had cross party support but the majority voted against.
Roger I like you as a person and you work hard in your ward but why is everything political when it is Labour Cllrs,as I said 1 out of 2 (50%) of the Tories voted against.
If Charlie leans on those Tories that didnt vote yes,if it had been the other way we would have heard Labour H.Q told us how to vote,as I said it was a free vote and I was out voted.That in any sense is democracy I and know one else was told how to vote.Including your side.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 676- Registered: 1 Jul 2008
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Ok than John which one voted against?
Million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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now then , far be it for me to get to inviolved in the town council but maybe a few more views might help to even up the debate a bit.
Sheila has made it clear the reasons as have some other councillors, and clearly from the posts there has been no party politics but more individual decisions.
now the rights and wrongs of who should/should not be voted for will go on as some have a political agenda outside of the town council and thats fine if thats the route they wish to take.
BERN;
I think if you read rogers post on brian roger did say he had lost respect for him
because he dared to disagree with him,
so realy come on, this forum is made up as keep saying of lots of people with differing points of view.
with regard to the forum and cllrs
well cllrs choose how they guage public opinion, for me in past years i would use any opportunity whether it be direct contact, media, forum, sugery, or lots of other ways, but we if we are honest although the forum is a very valued in gaining information from a cross section of people, it is by no means the only way cllrs should base there decisions
Usually posters would say, well we wasn't there so we don't have all the information so won't comment, this time because theres a little point scoring because it just happens to be a labour run authority then we get an outcry.
there may well be an argument for lord boyce in a bigger picture
just a much as there is argument for others
and like lord boyce said in the telegraph "i'm not realy fussed"
ken; you did say in one of your posts abour l young, now you know my opinion of her and so theres no party politics on my side as i would hope she would never be voted for, but then again its all about a matter opinion.
i don't lose respect for people because the may hold a political or non political
view different to mine, boy would it be boring if went back to old forum days(before the days of paulb in charge) where the forum was seen as an advertising site for the local tory party. thankfully it's moved from that position.
If we honestly went to the public and asked them who would you choose
doi we think they would say lord boyce? thats unknown and maybe even unlikely.
theres not an election on the horizon is there?
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Keith - it is perfectly possible to respect someones views and their right to express them while losing respect for the person as a result of that expression.
PS - Kafka would by now be lying down in a dark room with an aspirin........
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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I was going to make a sensible suggestion.
But then I thought, nah, there's only one way to sort this out -
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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We (Dover) missed a Golden Opportunity when we said no to him - very sad and small-minded, but it's all been said before.
Roger
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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yes roger,but is droving sheep through the town center.look at al the mess,but would do the planters a bit of good.now thats being small minded.
