I may have missed it if there is a thread about this already, but I see in the Telegraph that Dover council has voted against giving the freedom of Dover to our Warden of the Cinque Ports, and Charlie Elphick has quite rightly commented. Does anyone have any information or views on this? Apparently there were 5 votes in favour and 12 are needed. I can't really see why anyone would vote against it.............
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Cinque warden, cinq votes...or is that 'sank'?
[sorry to intrude, Bern]
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Raised a smile, Tom!! Good Morning to you!
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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I just saw this in the local paper this morning and Im embarassed for the town that it has made the national Daily Telegraph. I cant for the life of me see why the council, Dover Town Council to be clear, would not vote for such a man. He would bring a high profile and terrific image to the town, it is extraordinary that he wasnt voted for. He has fulfilled various ceremonial duties here in Dover with the most goodwill imagineable, I have photographed him on several occasions doing just that.
I'm bewildered...bewildered..
Terry Nunn
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I must admit that that I too was astonished. I'm even more surprised that the decision and the voting were made public. There are some councillors unfortunately who are narrow minded and bloody bolshie.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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what a strange story must have been a reason for the refusal.
we have a few town councillors as members who may wish to enlighten us.
Terry Nunn- Location: London Road, Dover
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I doubt if any would comment Howard. I have to say that I have an enormous amount of respect for most of the councillors, they are hard working and conscientious. There are however four or five that I would not throw a lifebelt to.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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I must say that I was surprised that the vote was conducted in public as it meant there was no debate, having a debate on such a thing would be inappropriate in public given that it could effect on peoples feelings. The first some of us saw of the nominations was at the meeting although it was clear that one of the political groupings had discussed it at one of their meetings outside of council. In my own opinion the nominations should have been discussed at a closed meeting of the full council prior to the public vote - unfortunately this was not the case.
By the way, I did vote in favour of Lord Boyce, as I did for Lynn Young. I voted against Mr Leggit only because of another pending award.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
So........is anyone able to give us some reasons for this embarassment?
Terry Nunn- Location: London Road, Dover
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We are at one re your comments Chris. And I would willingly give you my lifebelt any time!
Bern, there seems to be an anti-posh element in the council. That's the only way I can put it.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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This gets even more bizarre and it has turned into a national embarassment...
As I said in post 4 this man , a national figure, has appeared many times in Dover supporting the community. I have a couple of ordinary pictures here to show you, I chose the ordinary ones to make the point. They are from the Priory Forum FunDay in Pencester a few years back. Not a big ceremonial job but an ordinary workaday event..if i can put it that way...and he came along to do the necessary and very good he was too...
As I said we do have ceremonial pictures in our archive too.
Do we, people living here, get a say in this?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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as far as we know he does not eat babies so why the snub?
i appreciate chris's comments regarding discussions being private with such an issue, but we should be told why the decision was made as is it now a national issue with dover once again being seen as a bunch of fruitcakes.
Indeed. A bit disappointing. And yes, a belated thank you to Chris for his comments, and for being the only rep to brave the forum!!!
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#13, Bern you get a say at the next town council elections.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
And intend to make damn sure I use it.........
Guest 663- Registered: 20 Mar 2008
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I can see that this was not a good decision taken by DTC and does not show Dover in a good light, having spent time with Lord Boyce on several occasions he is a most charming man and as Lord Warden holds that position for life.
Unfortunately I was not present at the meeting due to work commitments but I am in agreement with Chris's post 9, that a proper meeting should have been held where all the Town councillors were in attendance and opinions could have been aired.
Jan Higgins
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#16 Peter the trouble is this embarrassment from the majority of our elected members will be forgotten by the next election.
Are we to be told who attended and did not vote in case we do actually remember, or should we but hope that there were only 5 councillors at the meeting.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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it always seems that as soon as we get some good publicity something follows that makes us look village idiots.
this time we have had good coverage of the launches then straight after this happens.
thankfully lord boyce has tried to play it down even though he cannot legally take his herd of goats through town.
