Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, this hasn't got anything to do with getting 5 seats at the next GE.
Any self-respecting party would aim for Most Final Victory!
Britain must win. All nations will then follow our example.
Rule Britannia!
Keith Sansum1
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Alexander
being taken seriously as more than a 1 issue UKIP still has to overcome, and it must win seats to be
taken seriously, shouting from the sidelines is all well and good but to my mind looking at the thread title
UKIP could be become the 3rd largest party whilst the lib dems rebuild
but 4th after that or worse
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Keith,s.
Ukip have got a good immigration stance in there manifesto
If the people of this country changed there voting habits, to ukip we wouldn't have the problems we have on folkestone road,
This is a Labour conservative driven problem.
Ukip ,has got a full manifesto just as big as Labour and conservative
The people of Dover just don't understand haw much voting Labour and conservative is costing them, look at this link to see why you're paying so much counsel tax
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Well Keith I have watched the video.
Before we heard of how onerous the broadening of Council procurement the voice over said, "we will have to". So we are not there yet.
The increased spend by Housing associations etc. did not say where the money would be spent. Heaven forfend that it led to increased employment?
The 'plan' to allow larger lorries access may yet fail due to satnav quirks without the least mention of sensible opposition. They are yet only plans though.
PO closures, as I recall, were pushed through by our own government, as was the hiving-off of lucrative mail processing contracts.
7 new Birminghams...yea right. 100,000 expected increase in immigration, is a concern, but not one UKIP will be dealing with.
Ladders, yes there are too many bean-counters with clout across the board, but ladders are dangerous and there are many more cherry-pickers now as well as scaffolders.
Land fill, without the EU we could just pile our sh*t up?
Without the EU we could continue to build sub-standard housing and work places? And be happy to freeze or pay through the nose for energy?
It is, as I know, all UKIP scaremongery and is the norm in UK politics. It does nothing, this video, to reduce the justification of the label 'Closet Racist', indeed it throws the closet door wide open.
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Immigration and Asylum: UKIP Policy
Thursday, 18th March 2010
As a member of the EU, Britain has lost control of her borders. Some 2.5 million immigrants have arrived since 1997 and up to one million economic migrants live here illegally. Former New Labour staff maintain that this policy has been a deliberate attempt to water down the British identity and buy votes. EU and human rights legislation means we cannot even expel foreign criminals if they come from another EU country. This is why immigration control is so essential and overdue. UKIP will:
· End mass, uncontrolled immigration. UKIP calls for an immediate five-year freeze on immigration for permanent settlement. We aspire to ensure that any future immigration does not exceed 50,000 people p.a.
· Regain control of UK borders. This can only be done by leaving the European Union. Entry for work will be on a time-limited work permit only. Entry for non-work related purposes (e.g. holiday or study) will be on a temporary visa. Overstaying will be a criminal offence
· Ensure all EU citizens who came to Britain after 1 January 2004 are treated in the same way as citizens from other countries (unless entitled to 'Permanent Leave to Remain'). Non- UK citizens travelling to or from the UK will have their entry and exit recorded. To enforce this, the number of UK Borders Agency staff engaged in controlling immigration will be tripled to 30,000
· Ensure that after the five-year freeze, any future immigration for permanent settlement will be on a strictly controlled, points-based system similar to Australia, Canada and New Zealand
· Return people found to be living illegally in the UK to their country of origin. There can be no question of an amnesty for illegal immigrants. Such amnesties merely encourage further illegal immigration
· Require those living in the UK under 'Permanent Leave to Remain' to abide by a legally binding 'Undertaking of Residence' ensuring they respect our laws or face deportation. Such citizens will not be eligible for benefits. People applying for British citizenship will have to have completed a period of not less then five years as a resident on 'Permanent Leave to Remain'. New citizens should pass a citizenship test and sign a 'Declaration of British Citizenship' promising to uphold Britain's democratic and tolerant way of life
· Enforce the existing terms of the 1951 UN Convention on Refugees until Britain replaces it with an Asylum Act. To avoid disappearances, asylum seekers will be held in secure and
humane centres until applications are processed, with limited right to appeal. Those seeking asylum must do so in the first 'designated safe country' they enter. Existing asylum seekers who have had their application refused will be required to leave the country, along with any dependants. We oppose any amnesties for failed asylum seekers or illegal immigrants.
· Require all travellers to the UK to obtain a visa from a British Embassy or High Commission, except where visa waivers have been agreed with other countries. All non-work permit visa entrants to the UK will be required to take out adequate health insurance (except where reciprocal arrangements exist). Those without insurance will be refused entry. Certain visas, such as student visas, will require face-to-face interviews, and UKIP will crack down on bogus educational establishments
· Repeal the 1998 Human Rights Act and withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. In future British courts will not be allowed to
appeal to any international treaty or convention that overrides or sets aside the provisions of any statute passed by the UK Parliament
· Reintroduce The 'Primary Purpose Rule' (abolished by the Labour Government), whereby those marrying or seeking to marry a British citizen will have to convince the admitting officer that marriage, not residence, is their primary purpose in seeking to enter the UK
· End the active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism by local and national government and all publicly funded bodies
· Ensure British benefits are only available to UK citizens or those who have lived here for at least five years. Currently, British benefits can be claimed by EU citizens in their arrival year.
What could be racist about this tom? Just Commonsense ,to me!
PS .cherry pickers are £200 a day ,don't think you'd like this added to your window cleaner bill .
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Keith the 'ladders' issue was with Councils, not individual householders. I wonder though that if you did not make sure your window cleaner has insurance:public liability and more, and he is injured in a fall or some other way you could be in deep doggy-doo-doo.
The racist aspect pertained to the video. Producing a mile of text does not lessen the impact of the chosen shots within the video.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Tom, its us! That pay for all this nonsense,
Man has used ladders and steps for thousands of years.
But under the madness of HSE EU driven ,in comes the expensive cherry picker mentality,
One example an old mattress on the railway bank in Dover
in the old days of sanity this would have been retrieved by a fit man on a rope,
Today an expensive JCB is used to retrieve it. Stuff the big bill to the taxpayers.
So you see this is one good reason to vote ukip, all this nonsense will be swept away
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Scaffolding changes a £50 bill for a slipped roof slate into a £2000 one.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I do not doubt that Peter, but this slipped slate is the same as the window cleaning, neither here nor there.
This is about councils and other large employers (if there is even such a thing these days) if you had tens of blokes out every day doing ad hoc repairs from a ladder the chances of trouble increase greatly.
The video talks of ONE council that has banned ladders,ONE council.
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So there can't be any others then!
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Its all of them tom ,work goes not dun because of risk assessment over runs on budgets.
Projects building costs carry a significant percentage of extra money ,in nonsense HSE. Podiums replacing steps on building sites being one of them.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The census 2011 has revealed, as shown today on Sky News, that England and Wales have a population of 56.1 million people, of which two million 250,000 (2.25m) live in households where no-one speaks English!
Incidentally, Tom, this report has nothing to do with "UKIP scaremongery", but comes from the census.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Senior Conservative backbencher Brian Binley has said Prime Minister David Cameron is out of step and creating chaos within his party.
"We cannot expect to win without the help and dedication of many of those who have already walked away - and countless others who are considering doing the same."
He further says: "The Tories' chances of winning the next general election have been compromised".
This seems to spell the looming end of the Tory party. As we can see here, many Conservative party members have left and so many more are tossing with the idea of doing likewise.
The Tory party is crumbling rapidly with mass desertions of both supporters and members.
Recently Barry has stated he would vote for UKIP if that party seemed more likely to win, as was the case in Rotherham.
Could this be the writing on the wall?
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UKIP is polling 16% in the latest TNS-BMRB opinion poll - double the support of the Lib Dems.
UKIP get to within 10 points of the Tories in new TNS-BMRB poll.
Latest polling headlines.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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this is a bit dreamy alexander
to be fair to barryw(blimey im supporting him lol)
barry said if it meant voting ukip in rotherham to keep labour out he would
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Nah Keith. In Rotherham before the election the polls showed UKIP in front of the Blues, and so the Blue majority voted for UKIP. I'd assume they'd do the same in many a constituency. Barry was one example who said he'd do the same in Rotherham.
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alexander thats what i said about barryw
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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UKIP has made another spectacular move to popularity.
The Communities Secretary Eric Pickles has now implied the Tories could form a pact with UKIP.
From Sky News:
"The UK Independence Party has surged to a record poll rating, knocking the Liberal Democrats into fourth place.
The ComRes poll for The Independent On Sunday and the Sunday Mirror put UKIP on 14% - a six-point gain on last month and the party's highest rating in a ComRes poll.
Two other polls in Sunday newspapers - the Observer's Opinium and the Mail On Sunday Survation - also put UKIP at 14%."
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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what purpose would it serve for ukip to agree a pact with the blues?
the only hope of forcing a referendum from dave is to stand against the blues and hurt them that way.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Here's some maths, Howard:
Tories' 29% and UKIP's 14% = 43%.
Labour stands at 39%.
The first past the post system could obliterate opposition to Labour even where the reds have only 25-30% of the vote.
But a combined 43% could see an overall majority in Parliament.
The birds are singing from the trees the Dave's stance must necessarily mean an imminent change in Tory leadership, as the blues are flocking over to UKIP. Dave and Osborne seem to be a cork in a very fermented blue bottle.
If it blows, those two won't make it to 2015 as leaders, the war will be over for them!
I forecast a Tory rebellion in Parliament any time soon, possibly with the party whips going over to the rebellion.