howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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considering it is pretty evident that our fishing persons are always complaining about their quotas it is pretty unforgivable of him not to be fighting their corner.
mind you he has been a member here for over a year and never contributed so not that surprising.
Brian Dixon
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i like that eu gezzer,maybe some uk party might take him on as a speaker or chancalor.
or both
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Philip, UKIP's policy on climate change does not address the real problem: how does chemical pollution interact with the atmosphere. Does it cause the ice to melt excessively in Greenland and the Arctic, does it cause an ozone whole over the southern hemisphere, is it responsible for causing more forceful hurricanes and typhoons?
The air does not necessarily have to get warmer for climatic changes to take place: salt can melt ice even without an increase in the temperature, chemical agents (particles) in the air can cause chemical reactions, as the air is made up of gases. Clouds are made up of a chemical formula.
UKIP has a very amateur approach to carbon emissions, reducing the whole thing to "getting warmer" "not getting warmer".
It's not to their credit.
Keith Sansum1
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just a protest party then
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Well keith s.
this protest party is driving a very big change in the attitudes
of the plummeting membership parties .
I do notice not much argument with ukip's facts?
Maybe it's just that you cannot argue with the truth, and ukip keeps unloading it by the dump truck Load!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Angus Reid has now given UKIP the 11% post in the latest major opinion poll, which means the party has consolidated its new position on all notable national polls.
In East Anglia, the party has 21% support among the electorate, and generally its popularity in England is higher than 11%, whereas in Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales it is lower.
Now considering that Apathy represents well over half the electorate, and that the Tory party is crumbling from within owing to its leadership's "government of the few" policies, UKIP could continue its upward march and effectively replace the Conservative party well before the next General Election.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Whichever way you look at it labour and tories will be the top two parties
ukip are far from making any dents,
In the past even you alexander have admitted ukip to be just a protest party
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, I have never used the term "protest party" for any party, and have never called UKIP anything less than a party.
The rest of your post is stunning, as anyone can confirm that the Conservatives stand no chance of getting anywhere near Government without an agreement with UKIP before the next election. Something I've been saying for the past two and a half years.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Until UKIP win seats and shake off the notion that the party only flourishes briefly in mid term by-elections, then I'm afraid to say it is just a protest party for Tory voters disgruntled over Brussels. Every now and again UKIP flatters to deceive. You might remember a while back they were touting it large that Lord Hesketh had now joined and would make all the difference. What happened...not a jot of difference. The noble Lord made a TV appearance or two for max publicity then like dracula in the light of day, climbed back into his silent tomb.
They have one policy only.. EU disgruntlement.
But this, according to radio pundits yesterday, is a long way down the general voting agenda for most people. Most people are concerned about economics and jobs etc...and will therefore vote in General Elections for those they hope will give them better jobs and better economics.
That's Lord Hesketh there above.
However further rumours have reached the mill last night. Nadine Dorries, she of jungle jim fame, has not ruled out joining UKIP should the Tory whip be withdrawn from her this week. If the Tories dont withdraw the whip from her they will be seen as very weak indeed, as here is an MP who swanned off and left her Conservative constituents unrepresented in parliament while she pursued TV fame and fortune. So UKIP may have a bright new member by the end of the coming weak. An actual MP to boot ! But there you are...a home for the rejected and the disgruntled, but little else.
That's Nadine above sticking the boot into Cameron and Osborne in the House of Commons..
By the way if anyone has missed the link I put up earlier, here is a reminder of Mr Farage getting a taste of his own medicine over there in darkest Brussels...ouch!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that chap on the right looks very familiar, used to see him in dover now and then.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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well paulb he certainly got a few home truths.
Alexander you have in the past indicated UKIP are unlikely to win seats, but would dent the two main parties
which in reality means, ukip are just a protest party.
They are seen as a one policy party and even you admit they are not getting there message across and if they want to win seats they have to change there ways(your view)
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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when they started out the idea was that they would disband once a referendum was held, i don't know if this is still the case.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Yep, UKIP is a protest party. So what?
True friends stab you in the front.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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To try and answer Andy's "so what"
...if you look at the headline at the top of this thread which makes the claim that UKIP are the nations second party, then the "protest party" rumblings become relevent. UKIP currently are showing keenness for wider aspiration and many supporters believe or indeed hope that they can deliver more than just protest. You only have to look at this thread to see that, or indeed listen to Nigel Farage...who continually promises more. They have revelled lately in finishing second twice in recent by-elections. It could be a beginning...but too early to make broader claims, until they deliver the same at the next general election (with the emphasis there on general election).
With the LIbdem vote expected to capitulate at the next general election...it must be the opportune time then for UKIP to deliver. If they cant do it then...well..
but will be interesting to see how it goes.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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You have to remember, the Tories and labour have both been in power before, and both have been kicked out of power, labour lost 5 million voters last time pretty damming judgment by the electorate
And the conservatives needed to kiss liberal ass to crawl back in to power.
Not looking to good is it ?
The people of this county are looking for change; remember the hope they had when Blair managed to con them,
Voters have given up on politicians, apathy rules the day,
All party's will need to work hard to get votes, the old days are over
And so is the EU con
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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UKIP does have a general policy regards legislation that goes beyond a sole anti-EU campaign.
Being a libertarian party, it doesn't have an ideology.
Personally I believe in a British Constitution based on the Christian Faith, with undisputed allegiance to the Union Flag.
So there may be some difference there!
To be a member of UKIP it is not necessary to be a monarchist, as I was assured by them before becoming a member for the second year in 2011. So one can have views that do not necessarily correspond to those of Nigel Farage on important constitutional questions, and still be a member and express these views.
Personally I believe UKIP should work on a policy of more social equality in respect to finances, such as campaigning for an end to Britain's utterly unacceptable law allowing for unlimited interest on loans, for example that no loan can exceed the annual inflation rate plus 1 or 2 percent to allow for expenses, at the very least when talking of individual loans and loans to small businesses.
UKIP should campaign for an energetic reduction of our Public Debt through a Wealth Redistribution Law.
This has nothing to do with "stealing all the wealth of rich people", but based on the principle that if you have hoards of personal financial wealth in times of austerity caused by the Public Debt (which is the sole reason for austerity, the Debt being caused by consecutive annual budget deficits and government borrowing), then you are obliged to contribute more to reducing the Public Debt (unless you are not a member of the Public but living on Planet Us and Them). But in this latter case why not emigrate to Mars?
So my views and policies are down to Earth and socially acceptable, and I'm convinced that if UKIP followed up on this, they could certainly distinguish themselves from the Osborne-Tory "defend the super-rich at all costs" attitude.
This would probably attract many socialists from among the electorate, and many more disillusioned Tory supporters who have discovered that we really are NOT all in it together.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Thankyou paulb i recognise I said much the same as you but as i said it then it wont be accepted
but now you have maybe it will.
This is probably UKIP's last stand if they dont win at least 5 seats it will be there end
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