howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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lost me completely alex, if ukip do not stand against the blues it could lead to dave regaining power meaning no referendum.
the chances are that more and more blues supporters and activists will go over to ukip over the same sex marriage issue
which must mean they have a stronger hand than previously and don't need to do any deals
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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You may well be right, Howard.
The majority of Tory MPs do seem to support Dave and not question his policies even when they do not agree with them.
Charlie is a shining example. So yes, we can expect a redefining of values at party level, and it appears that new Tory values are alienating many of their supporters.
So perhaps an Tory-UKIP alliance may be out of the question after all, owing to differing values.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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ukip and a referedume have no chace.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Be interesting to see the result of Thursday by-election for KCC Gravesend seat following the revelation that UKIP appear to have disowned their candidate.
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Keith Sansum1
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tell us more paulw
On the bigger picture UKIP would lose votes should they decide on a pact with the unwanted mouse lot.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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thought everyone knew about his shocking views on disabled children.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I didn't howard, but i think theres even more to the bye election(costing £32,000!!!!!)
the sitting conservative county cllr is looking for a safer seat as he knows he may lose at next election
so will if elected have to resign one of the seats causing a second bye election and another £32,000
is that a waste of public dosh or what
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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If he wins this seat & resigns the other Gravesend seat no election is necessary because of the six month rule. i.e. County elections in May.
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i am wondering whether there are grounds for prosecution here.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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so constituents will be unrepresented for 6 months ,,,,,, interesting,,,,,,,,,,,
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The views expressed by the candidate in question could lead to prosecution.
He is unlikely to receive many votes, and obviously has nothing to do with UKIP.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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still a UKIP candidate at this time
don't have much of a selection process by sounds of it
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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if any.
but the question is have they got princaples as well.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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still the electorate in gravesend can look forward in these tight budget days to the £32,000 being spent
with could increase to £64,000
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, it is too late for UKIP to put another candidate on the list, the time-limit required by law is passed.
This particular candidate did a dirty one on UKIP. He should have made clear his views before, and he'd never have got that far as a UKIP candidate.
Brian, if you read the article in the link, it states beyond doubt that UKIP has nothing to do with these views, and are taking disciplinary action. They have already stated this candidate will not stand any more for UKIP.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Alexander
The selection process for this guy if there was one must have been poor
usualy you select knowing a geezer/geezeres is up to a standard, knowing there background/ views
this guy sounds like he was always controversial why did they select him
shows a shortfall somewhere
a lot of damage done to UKIP
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I think doctors offer termination on these ground anyway now.
It's the compulsory bit that's worrying , but I think doctors should have an input regarding venerable peoples and pregnancy . fore instance girls with mental issue's getting pregnant .
And the state picking up the bill
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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oh dear
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, while unaware of the selection process in this particular case, Christian values are fundamental, so if ever standing as a candidate, I would make very clear that my faith is in the Fair Lady, whose road leads to Christ's Church.
All people have been vulnerable during their life from conception onward, and are vulnerable from birth onward. There is not such a thing as a person who is not vulnerable.
Personally I object to infanticide including when a mother makes the decision.
As for preaching that people over a certain age should be given obligatory advice on euthanasia, I'd suggest prosecution on the part of the Law towards that person.
Perhaps UKIP's stance as a libertarian party has led to this severe misunderstanding on the part of a candidate who has clearly shocked the party with his previously unstated views.
UKIP's charter should be declared subordinate to Christian values, to the Faith.
Being a British party, this should be essential, following the identity of our Christian Flag.
As for other religions - as you are no doubt going to bring this up again - it is utterly San Ferian and has nothing to do with it.
Being Christian has nothing to do with intolerance towards other religions, but other religions have nothing to do with my stance on the Christian Faith.