Keith Sansum1
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Credit??????
At the end of the day this was /is a tory strong seat, they expected to win, and the challenge would have come from
UKIP it didn't this was a failed opportunity
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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like most things goverment etc do,it allways fails.so the conclusion is the uk is a failure.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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and ukip made no impact
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Labour MP Jon Cruddas, who is chairing his party's policy review for leader Ed Miliband, predicted that Ukip would have "a great 2013 and an even better 2014" when they could win the European elections.
From the Huffington Post:
Support for the UK Independence Party (Ukip) has reached a new high of 15%, according to the Opinium survey for The Observer published on Saturday night.
"Labour were on 39% with a 10-point lead over the Conservatives on 29%. All three main parties were unchanged from a fortnight ago."
While Labour is saying the UK Independence Party would win the European elections by coming first, and the PM still officially of the opinion that UKIP is a party of fruitcakes, one psychological barrier after the other is being broken: now Tory support is not even double that of UKIP.
We are assisting in real-time live coverage the downfall of the two Coalition parties.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Iv predicted they wont alexander
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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You've predicted who won't what, Keith?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Your prediction of UKIP becoming the second largest party won't happen
thats my prediction
they may well win seats in the european election, but its the breakthrough in the UK they need and thats yet to be seen.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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At last some realisation that UKIP not going anywhere a one face /one policy seen as party
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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my prediction for 2015 election is,labour,conservative and ukip will lose there deposits and with a new party will take the uk forward.oh by the way it wont be the lib/dems either.
viva the peoples republic.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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vic,save your ukip money and take your mrs out for a meal instead,well worth it in the end.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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No UKIP branch in Dover says a ,lot.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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vic,me vote for ukip you must having a larf,wouldnt waste my vote on them at all.
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By Nigel Farage, UKIP Leader
The British establishment is quite prepared to doctor the record when it suits them - last week's Hillsborough revelations graphically showed that. It can be decades before the truth is dragged out of our political class.
There is no subject on which this is truer than Britain's membership of the European Union.
Whether it's Whitehall suppressing key papers or British governments of all stripes issuing misleading statements and using weasel words, we now know that the whole truth and key information has long been suppressed.
This matters particularly now, because EU Commission president Barroso has announced that he wants to see a new EU Treaty within two years. This Treaty would be to create a European Federation and would wrest control from the UK of a whole series of powers - powers that Brussels would never relinquish.
The polling evidence suggests that over half of us want to leave the EU. Even more want a referendum to give us the chance to have our say. The Daily Express has taken a courageous stand on this great issue, putting enormous pressure on the Government.
And in the end David Cameron is going to have to offer this country a referendum. But I want to make sure that we are asked the right question and I want you to help me. History warns us that this is far from certain to be the case.
For my sins I know how the political class operate - and co-operate - in both Brussels and London. They may offer us a referendum but on a question that suits them and is designed to produce the "right" result. I believe they are going to try to repeat an old trick.
To try to help remove the scales from our eyes I am publishing a pamphlet, 'A Referendum Stitch-Up?' into what happened back in the 1970s.
In 1975, my parents' generation was led to believe that they were voting to stay part of a "Common Market" or free trade area.
They were not. Harold Wilson's government publicly claimed, "no important new policy can be decided in Brussels". But, behind the scenes the Foreign Office had already told it that "Community law" would "prevail over conflicting national legislation"
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Both statements could not be true. They were contradictory. We have learnt to our considerable cost, that it was the "censored" one - the one withheld from us - that was accurate. The Conservatives and Liberals of the time co-operated in the deceit.
What we were in fact voting for was to remain in what economists call a "customs union". In the EU, being part of a customs union means everything has to be "harmonised", i.e. made uniform. That is what the European Union has been busily doing for decades.
It gives rise to a whole range of laws from environmental regulation via common employment law to unrestricted immigration, with its resultant welfare costs.
In the last few days plans have been presented to create a federal state of Europe, with a Common Treasury and a single budget. Alongside this legislative overlordship come the practical costs. In trade we run a deficit of £50 billion with the EU when we run a surplus with the rest of the world.
Europe grows relatively poorer as each new member joins (just wait for Turkey: the coalition and Labour all want to add another 70million people), and becomes more of an economic backwater in terms of world trade as growth switches to such countries as Brazil, China and India.
Worse still, for the privilege of having to implement all these regulations, Britain has to pay the European Union a gross contribution of more than £50million per day. Yet the Prime Minister says we must stay in at any cost.
It is clear that the political class is trying to mislead us again. They suggest that a straight "in or out" referendum question should be replaced by a complex question offering a third way: continuing as part of the Single Market without full political union. In short, we are being presented with a recycled version of what we thought we were getting in 1975.
But just like then, there is no third way. My research explains why any apparent renegotiation of membership terms can only be a mirage. With the design of the EU as it is meaningful renegotiation is neither possible nor credible.
In fairness to the EU elite, they have never tried to hide this. A binding commitment to "ever closer union" was there at the beginning and has been constantly repeated ever since.
But the same cannot be said of the British establishment: ever since the membership and referendum debate of the early 1970s it has tried to conceal this fundamental commitment. And the leopard is not about to change its spots.
We are committed by Treaty to make progress towards an ever-closer union. Until the Treaties are repealed by British law, this remains a statement of fact.
What I am afraid of - as we increasingly win the argument about how the UK's membership is damaging rather than beneficial - is that the British establishment will appear to renegotiate, come back claiming to have got "not all we want but enough", fix the wording for a referendum into a leading question giving them endless "wriggle-room" and win by fraud - all over again.
In contrast with nearly 50 years of lies and half-truths from successive governments, I believe you, the public, are entitled to hear the truth about what the EU is and where it hopes to go.
There must be no more EU stitch-ups. It is time for our political class to be honest with the people of Britain and for the people of Britain to have their say.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, don't trust the three mainstream parties, LibLabCon, they will try to give us a bogus referendum, one that says in or in, and they will sign a treaty handing over our Country to a foreign state called "Europe", and it will receive royal consent, as all other treaties did that handed over bits and pieces of British Sovereignty.
Unless you vote for a party that will not do this. Keep up the good work, Keith
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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what cobblers there alex.we would still be a soverin state like the other 26.
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News is coming through that in the North West of England, UKIP has overtaken the Tories in popularity:
"The Observer Opinium poll has revealed that UKIP rating has risen to a massive 18% while the Tories are on 17% and the Liberal Democrats stand at just 8%."
It seems that the North West and East Anglia are two areas where the balance has already tipped in favour of UKIP, pushing the Conservatives into third place.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Dream on Alexander
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, dreams are important.
That said, the writing is written on the wall: if, before the next General Election, the Conservative party and UKIP do not make an agreement, as things stand now, neither is likely to win the next General Election.
The first past the post system would ensure Labour a landslide victory. The Tory and UKIP votes would be divided votes,
unless UKIP attract massive Labour support before then. At the moment, this is not the case.
Does Nigel Farage profess strong social values that would attract many millions of Labour supporters?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Dreams alexander are all good, but in reality quite different.
I hate people to be disappointed and so try to guide them.
I have said before without doubt UKIP will take votes off other parties mainly conservative.
The tories are unlikely to do a deal with UKIP but seeing how the tories operate i wouldn't put it past them.
Without any doubt Labour will be the largest party, but won't get a landslide as you predict.
UKIP won't be the second largest party and maybe won't even win a seat!!!
At the last election they should have made that breakthrough in the UK, they didnt, they were also rans
unless they make this breakthrough at the next election they will be seen as the small protest party that they are
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Fair assessment if there were to be a GE this week Keith, but we're only halfway through this parliament and that's a hell of a long time in politics.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson