howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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tom is getting in practice for the song writers evening at the discovery centre.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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what a waste of donated public money,that hearing must have thousands of pounds.which could have saved/housed many other animals.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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The article below from the Isle of Thanet Gazette states that Thanet council now faces a £1.25 million lawsuit for lost earnings from the wretched livestock traders who are perpetuating this barbaric legacy from the Middle Ages. If they are successful in this then they would have no need to actually carry any animals. Just turn up at any port with their tiny joke landing craft and sue the port when it finds a reason to refuse them berthing rights.
THANET council had to raid its reserves this week to pay an £80,000 court settlement and is considering writing off yet another £100,000 in debts (see link below for the other debts).
Taxpayers must foot the bill for live animal exporters after last week's High Court ruling that September's suspension of the trade from Ramsgate port was unlawful. The council now faces a £1.25 million lawsuit for lost earnings from livestock traders Onderwater Agneaux and transporters Barco de Vapor BV.
Operational services director Mark Seed oversaw the decision to stop shipments of sheep from the port after 47 animals died.
Council leader Clive Hart said: "We were in an absolutely impossible situation. The events leading up to the suspension put the workforce and animals in danger. We took legal advice and were assured that we had a strong case."
http://www.thisiskent.co.uk/Taxpayers-foot-bad-debts/story-18554396-detail/story.html#axzz2PE9Al4gMBrian Dixon- Location: Dover
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ed,it may seem barbaric trade by useing that landing craft as you call it,but if the larger ferry operaters alowed them on the ferrys they wouldnt have to use that so called landing craft.may be a night crossings could be used.
thanet councils advise seems to be flawed from the start,and the court case unwarrented.all the time the trade is legal sheep and other animals will be traspoted that way.untill some one or a large commitee go's to brussels or where ever and gets it stopped,well you know the answer dont you.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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until then we will have endless protests that disrupt the town and use up what depleted police resources we have left.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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..............and frighten the animals with the awful racket the protesters make.
There should be a law banning export of live animals purely for meat, slaughter them here and export them chilled or frozen.,
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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correct howard,they should be protesting outside the eu parliment,no sheep where harmd or frightend in writing this post.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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The larger ferry operators refuse to carry them because they want no part of this evil trade. There is no question of them ever changing their minds on this. The livestock carriers charter manifestly unsuitable craft to get round this, the Joline is a small ageing flat bottomed ferry constructed by the Russians to carry tanks across an inland waterway.
It beggars belief that this trade is legal in a civilised country with a reputation for compassionate treatment for the animals we eat and supposedly a nation of animal lovers. Hopefully the strident protests outside the dock gates will cause enough disruption and expense that this repulsive trade will eventually be outlawed, it is the only hope that these poor animals have.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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ed,unfortunetly its a legal trade,rightly or wrongly as long as it is it will carry on untill its ileagle.the ptotesters outside the dock gates wont make a blind bit of differance untill they take to the eu parliment and westminster goverment.all so by pressure on ministers to ensure its final demise.those protesters who protest outside of the dock gates are tieing up police time when they could be preventing crime at the best or solving crime if they get there to late.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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having reread eds post,it seems that the large ferry companys have double standards,all though they have banned live exports of sheep,why are they still carrying calfs [cows] for export on there night sailings.these calfs supossed to be breading stock ?,or is it a way round the live export ban.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I would expect they are for breeding around Europe; i understand that their transportation is so much better than that for the animals sent for slaughter.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Another of those emotive issues
but another that has big affects on Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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interesting that ferry operators can choose not to carry the livestock but ports have no choice in the matter.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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howard,as i said double standerds.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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Yes, needless to say there is a double standard. One for the ports which is not of their choosing and one for the ferries which is of their choosing.
The ports are required to make every effort to accommodate any traffic that is offered. As can be seen, Dover, and all the other ports where this highly unwelcome trade has turned up, have very unwillingly had to make the effort to facilitate passage. It is the last thing they want and they are very relieved when it goes elsewhere, presumably entirely due to the protesters, all credit to them.
The ferry operators, on the other hand, can choose what they permit to be transported on their ferries. One thing that they adamantly refuse to accept is live exports. Racehorses, breeding stock, etc, are OK but are very few and far between. On the extremely rare occasions when they are carried, the Captain is called by walkie talkie from the loading officeer on the cardeck and asked if they can be accepted. He then decides if this is permissible given current weather conditions, bearing in mind that all the ferries are very large vessels with stabilizer fins. If he decides that conditions are acceptable for a comfortable passage then he gives the go ahead.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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ed,ok its down to discersion.but on the protesters they are protesting in the wrong place,they should be outside parliment [london] and the eu parliment [brussels] in which it would more produtive.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Racehorses usually travel by air on chartered freighters. Breeding stock usually goes deep frozen in sperm form.
No need to subject animals to the stress of truck transport only to be slaughtered at their destination.
The same thing happens in the Middle East, only much worse. At Eid, hundreds of thousands of live lambs, sheep and goats are trucked into Saudi Arabia from as far away as Bulgaria and Turkey, only to undergo ritual slaughter on arrival. In times gone by they would be driven overland by shepherds on foot, being well fed en route and fattened on arrival. But not nowadays.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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some good news at last.
