Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
jan,the trouble is english lamb/mutton is the best in the world and those johnny foreigners damm well know it to be.they do like like them alive before they get there hands on them,mouslims and the isralis like there meat on the cosher side.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
They could still be slaughtered in this country and sent chilled or let them raise their own lamb.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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They could of course change the town's name to...Rams-Holiday Inn, or similar.
We shall see how things stand at the end of today, but there can be few arguments in favour of the continuation of local subsidy of the trade, nor of the antiquated animal welfare arrangements.
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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I'm in agreement with both Jan and Brian even though they are expressing different sides of the coin... Johnny Foreigner cant raise their own lamb to anything like the same level of taste..something to do with all that eternal green grass of ours and ever gushing rain etc etc but on the other hand live exports in dismal conditions is fairly grim. I'm all for Johnny Foreigner having it chilled. The argument is hard pressed farmers need the lucrative trade.
Very good to see the push in parliament by Laura Sandys today as per POST 39.
Full details there in her press release etc etc.such as 50 animals slaughtered on the dockside due to their abysmal state of health by the time they reached the port. More in Post 39. All happening in The House today.
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The lovely Laura Sandys does a fine job all round, her efforts are certainly to be admired
The lack of facilities at Ramsgate leads to very low levels of animal care, This has gone on for far too long and needs to be stopped.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
right on cue laura was on the box earlier making very clear her views on live exports, much as she makes her views clear on most subjects.
has the respect of the voters of thanet south irrespective of their poiltical allegiances.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"Live animal exports going via previously unknown routes
Campaigners shocked to discover that live animal exporters are using alternative ports in Scotland and Northern Ireland."
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Good pic Howard..yes plenty of coverage for this issue yesterday all round.
The Debate in the House started around 1.20 pm and it was shown in full on the parliamentary channel. Laura Sandys lead the debate from the start and of course was/is quite passionate about the issue. She talked at length, so much so that the deputy speaker had to ask her to curtail her opening remarks as she was running at 24 minutes when everyone had promised a max of 15. The debate lasted for several hours well into late afternoon.
Here are some pictures. As you can see its not an issue that inspired mass attendance on the Conservative benches..
The benches did acquire a few more members later in the day..after a good lunch no doubt.
Laura Sandys finished up making several noted points...much the same as covered in Post 39...
but with the Minister at the despatch box she emphasised to said Minister that..
"we would welcome the most robust regulation you can put in place"
If I hear anything further from LS will of course put it up here.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
looks like most have cleared off early for christmas paul, much the same as they did last year.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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What's that Howard? A bleating nuance?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
no just an outrageous thing done by animal welfare officers,disgracefull.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
i am genuinely moved by your sudden concern for the well being of all creatures great and small brian, i had you down as one who would not be happy until bear baiting formed part of the school curriculum.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
Yes indeed howard
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
- Posts: 3,370
I don't see the problem with shipping sheep over the water
Just imagine you're a sheep ,all you've seen is the one field ,then one day a big truck turns up and you get in the back ,very exciting from the boredom of the uk felids
You get to sit next to the girl that's been avoiding you and all that stuff .
Then you get to go on a big ship very exciting,
and then you get of in a Foreign country ,munch on the exotic grass and take in the air and the new fields
And if your lucky you get to shag some exotic Foreign types.
Then they cut your throat and stick you on a hook and cover you in garlic
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
good idea howard,should be made compuserly along with fox hunting,cock fighting and other country sports.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The UK meat is so good because of the very good grass we have,also over there they do not all go back out in green fields. They are put in a pen inside a barn and just feed on dry food till they are killed off,it should be stoped.But I do not agree that the lorry drivers should have to put up with what they do.They are just doing their job,and might not like doing it but have no choice.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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These same truck drivers would have to drive refrigerated lorries, poor things, if only the animals were slaughtered here ready for export as meat. All without the hassle of rest stops, herding off and back on and all the cleaning up.
Why not, for the sake of the drivers if nothing else, ban live export entirely?
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Leaving the ethics aside for a moment, I don't understand the economics of it all. Surely shipping live animals has to be the most expensive of all the options? Chilled or frozen meat takes up far less space, doesn't need feeding and watering on route, doesn't make the whole ship smell, doesn't need secrecy and security precautions, doesn't require vets' inspections etc, etc.
And with frozen sperm, you can get 100,000 sheep in a small van.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I am not sure why there is a trade in live exports, but the reasons behind live imports are a little easier to understand. Importing livestock and having them live/graze here for a week or two allows the meat to be sold as British reared.
But, as far as transport is concerned, this is probably much the same as retail. In that you pay more per kilo for off the bone than on.
Maybe there is a glut of food waste that if not fed to fatten livestock would involve a cost in itself?
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