The beginning of the end of live exports?
- Jan Higgins
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11 March 2014 14:24262087What has she done to give you that impression Phillip? Laura has always struck me a being a very good local MP.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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------------------------------------------------------------------- - 11 March 2014 15:49262088Jan our oul friend Philip hasn't forgiven her for her position on climate change.
She believes in its existence as do many.
Philip however comes from the other school of thought on the issue as we know.email: dover7@msn.com - 11 March 2014 15:51262089like her late father ms sandys has a keen interest in the environment thus incurring philip's wrath.
- 11 March 2014 16:29262091I recently met with the local organisers of KAALE (Kent Against Animal Live Exports) who were keen to know my stance.
I said it was cruel but that as a meat eater I'm not hypocritical enough to think animals aren't slaughtered. The animals should be slaughtered at the nearest regulated site available. We are losing business here in terms of abbatoirs and processing, which is Jan's point.
They agreed entirely.
Of course this govt is merely following European guidelines regarding the transportation of live animals, just another sound reason for leaving the EU. Of course the liberal Europhiles will turn a blind eye to this. - 11 March 2014 17:06262094Any Tory politician who follows the climate change religion is not a real tory. They should cross the floor and join the ranks of labour, liberals and the green. Weirdo beliefs like global warming has no place in the house of parliament. Laura Sandys has made it her mission to try to alter the climate, like many of her contemporaries, which is why I suggested she would have been better off getting a job with greenpeace or wwf. That goes for most of the conservative party.
Politics is for grown ups and is a serious business Our lives depend on decisions they make. Weird cults are for the gullible. - Jan Higgins
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11 March 2014 17:48262098David Little wrote:
We are losing business here in terms of abbatoirs and processing, which is Jan's point.
Actually that was not the point of my post I had not thought about abatoirs at all, I was only thinking about the animals and their pointless journey.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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------------------------------------------------------------------- - 11 March 2014 17:51262100that was quite clear to me jan but obviously not to others.
- 11 March 2014 18:24262101Apologies Jan if I misrepresented you.
- Jan Higgins
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11 March 2014 18:38262102Not to worry David, it only proves you are a true politician having that well known political trait which is the ability to twist any comment.
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11 March 2014 19:04262103most politicos are usely full of this stuff.
- 11 March 2014 19:49262106Jan Higgins wrote:Not to worry David, it only proves you are a true politician having that well known political trait which is the ability to twist any comment.
miaow. 
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson - 10 May 2016 11:17313533Good luck to him but I am fairly sure that only the European Parliament can stop it.
http://www.craigmackinlay.com/campaigns/back-craigs-bill - Brian Dixon
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10 May 2016 15:57313534another softie ,cant see it my self - 21 July 2016 11:00315891Started again last evening at Ramsgate on one of the hottest days of the year, bad enough being transported in that Russian river boat.
- Brian Dixon
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21 July 2016 15:30315894tank transporter howard. - 21 July 2016 15:41315895Only across rivers Brian.Brian Dixon likes this
- 9 August 2017 20:21332463Hopefully this barbarity will stop soon after we leave the EU.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/protests-as-live-animal-exports-130247/ - Brian Dixon
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9 August 2017 20:30332465I doubt it howard, to much money would be lost to the sheep farmers who are allways hard done byhoward mcsweeney1 likes this - Captain Haddock
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9 August 2017 23:42332488Here we go again. All excited about a few hundred sheep crossing to France but not a word about the 3,410 live cattle exported across the Irish Sea from Eire to Great Britain so far in 2017! Is it because they are British sheep?
A couple of years ago when the trade was up for debate at DDC I got permission from the Port of Ramsgate and AHVLA to be present on the dockside during an export movement.
The RSPCA were present and were disgusted by the fact that the protesters were banging on lorry sides and using air-horns which disturbed the sheep who were then left in their lorries on the dock side to calm down.
All transporters were temperature controlled through air-conditioning and all animals had adequate space and water.
Off the record RSPCA did not think there was any cruelty involved in the trade though admitted it was a 'nice little earner', bringing in loads of donations which they could use to prosecute 'real' cases of cruelty.
Indeed when asked by DDC 'WHAT STANDARDS DO YOU BELIEVE SHOULD BE APPLIED TO THE TRANSPORTATION OF LIVE ANIMALS?' their official reply was
The RSPCA had two main concerns with the present transport laws:
1. That the journey times had not kept up with the science and so allowed animals to be transported ad infinitum, providing appropriate rest periods were adhered to.
2. That enforcement was patchy and difficult as the trade could cross over several countries.
Adherence to rest periods, adequate lairages and stocking densities was difficult in many European Union Member States, including the UK. The European Commission’s own report into live transport stated that effective enforcement remained a major challenge. However the Commission had decided not to review or amend Regulation 1/2005 but to focus on improving enforcement, although how it would achieve that remained unclear.
The RSPCA would prefer to see a trade that was limited to a maximum of eight hours transport time, better enforcement, improved facilities at ports and a better emergency procedure should a problem develop.
Improved facilities at ports note, NOT an outright ban.
It is a great shame that due to protests by the usual suspects companies such as P&O refuse to carry the animals on what would be a shorter and more stable crossing.
They do of course still carry such as horses for 'breeding purposes' (to a country where they just happen to eat horse meat. ) so that's all right then.
If you really want to protest about 'cruelty' during animal exports read about Australia here :- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_export But of course that's not half as much fun as a bit of virtue signalling and wasting tax payer's money providing a police presence in Ramsgate, trying to stop you silly buggers throwing yourselves under the lorry wheels, is it?Jan Higgins, Button, Brian Dixon and 1 more like thisJan Higgins, Button, Brian Dixon and Guest 1385 like this"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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10 August 2017 09:49332512No live animal destined for the food chain should be exported or imported, chilled or frozen only. In this so called modern world there should be no need for these live exports.
The fanatical protesters are a pain in the rear end, in my opinion they do more harm than good.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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