Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Alexander your last post was full of inaccurate and irrelevant material. You are losing touch with reality. Beware the men in White coats!
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Keith Sansum1
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PETER
Whlst we may not agree on issues, it doesn't encourage people to participate in posting by saying there posting is rubbish.
but there you go
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Peter is merely expressing the view most of us feel and it is not the first time that Alexander has gone somewhere beyond the real world.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I apologise if my language was unparliamentary. There, I have edited it.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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PETER(me old right wing mucker lol
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I'v said on here before i'm all for encouraging people to post, and i try to refrain from telling people in such a direct manner.
but everyone to there own.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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There is much of this name calling just because one does not agree with somones post. Barry you are one of the main ones that do it,there is no need for it.
Encouraging people to post: good thing
Posting weird stuff non-one can penetrate: bad thing, although it can force one to check the labels on the bottles from the previous night.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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BERN
You only had to say it once lol
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I'm old, I tend to repeat myself.............
I'm old, I tend to repeat myself.............
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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BERN
Hope u are well
what a lovely day outside
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Going back to the port.I was talking to Peter only last night about to day,even if there is a big turnout and they go for the so called Public port,it will mean nothing and count as nothing,and at the cost of around £13000 of Public money used that also has been for nothing.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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VIC
This is where we probably will disagree, although i may still have concerns over the peoples port proposal, im a great believer in democracy, and that costs dosh.
To say it all means nothing is in my opinion incorrect.
If there is a turnout and this goes to government and they ignore it completely, that would be very unwise, and im sure from a political point of view people in Dover would remind them in the polls.
I also believe vic, like yourself involved in many projects, you do all you can to make a difference.
So vic, whilst i may have concerns, i applaud the fact they are making an effort.
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I expect they are grateful for that.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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unless i have misread alex's post he was putting across the case that shares change hands all the time, they may start being owned by a u.k. company but then go into foreign ownership after being put on the market.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Keith.
Is it really democratic though?
Whether some people on here (think) there is no third option, there are (fact) many people who would vote for third option, if it was on the referendum. That would then give a true reading on what Dover people democratically want.
It's a bit like leaving UKIP off the voting polls, for some.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - So what exactly has that to do with the Port?
As has been said many times debt bonds that will fund the Port no not convey equity ownership. These bonds will be traded in the bond markets and such investment grade bonds will very likely be snapped up by a range of institutions that include insurance companies and investment groups. Companies like Aviva, L&G, Standard Life, Invesco Perpetual, Henderson, Old Mutual and many pension fund trustees will be interested.
This is the problem we have here.
These issues get explained by those that know about these things but certain people ignore the facts and continue to peddle their own incorrect understanding despite being shown to be incorrect.
This is not on matters of opinion of course, just on matters of fact.
When someone acts that way you just cannot take them seriously and they deserve to be shot down, you can only be patient for so long with such people.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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This whole debate has now passed it's boredom threshold and has become one big yawn.
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Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Vote today between 4pm and 9 pm in your usual polling station. Once it was asked for the money was spent and it would be a shame to see it go to waste
Of course if you do not believe that DHB are ready to sell and will keep trying (as they would under any 'third option') you can ignore it all and let DHB get on with it. Remember that a Yes vote says that you are against the DHB sell-off to the highest bidder and in favour of a transfer to the community. No group is mentioned in this, just the Dover District community.
A No vote (and by extension a non vote) implies that you are happy to see it sold off and will make certain DHB board members very happy.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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On the contrary, a non vote means that you are one of what one believes to be the great majority of Dovorians who do not want to see the port privatised (or communitised if you prefer) and wishes it to remain as a Trust Port to the great benefit of the Town and the Port. This referendum is purely for Peoples Port supporters who wish to vote for their own project. Consequently it will attract a near enough 100% Yes vote from those who attend. Unfortunately as a result it is totally meaningless and a waste of money which could have been devoted to keeping a bog or two open.
Thats my lot, off to join my ship now so I could not have voted even if there had been something to vote for!