howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The planning application for Adrian Street has to be passed first Sue.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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That could take weeks .
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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It could be well into January .This could have been resolved much earlier.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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I saw the interview Sue I think they are going back to where they started just setting up somewhere and serving out of boots of cars until this is all resolved.
of course the not in my back yard will go on thus the issue will be dragged on.
Sadly really because these volunteers give up there time to help the needy and it could be said they are doing the job that govts/councils should be doing anyway
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Agree Keith.I feel sorry for the volunteers who will be outside serving the meals.They have to prepare the sandwiches and the soup so its not just an hours volunteering.Perhaps those nimbires will consider this.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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I have read the churches are opening and feeding the homeless until February could the soup kitchen join forces with them until planning goes through.
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Guest 1935- Registered: 2 Dec 2016
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:I saw the interview Sue I think they are going back to where they started just setting up somewhere and serving out of boots of cars until this is all resolved.
of course the not in my back yard will go on thus the issue will be dragged on.
Sadly really because these volunteers give up there time to help the needy and it could be said they are doing the job that govts/councils should be doing anyway
Typical nimbyism nonsense claim.
Natty in his/her first post said
"I have been a soup kitchen volunteer for about a year now.
From my understanding, we do not wish to operate out of a building, as there would be more space
for the clients who are drunk or high to cause problems, and it would be harder to manage asking them to leave at the end[U][/U].
Also, although the Catholic church offered us the use of some land, this would be closer to the residents who originally complained, and
as the land is off the main highway, the volunteers felt that it may not be safe for them[U][/U]."
No one except a masochist would want to actively welcome a group with a record of anti social behaviour into their midst.
Especially if the locals are elderly or vulnerable in some other way.
It is not harsh or wrong to not want someone else's problem to be imposed upon you as if it were yours.
There is a need for this service and these people definitely need help[U][/U] so I call upon you Cllr Sansum to find a solution in your ward rather than criticise others, perhaps the plot adjacent to Dover Priory Station (as an interim solution) where a car park will eventually be built.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I'm already, with others trying to find a solution
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Guest 1935- Registered: 2 Dec 2016
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:I'm already, with others trying to find a solution
Well I hope you are more considerate to the community that you are going to impose your solution on and take their views into account. Rather than just throwing the nimbyism accusation around to get a convenient solution.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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well whoever you are? lets find solutions
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Guest 1935- Registered: 2 Dec 2016
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User anti social behaviour is the problem and it will go where the hut goes, that needs specialist intervention.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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One thing is for certain and that is the residents of Adrian Street will fight hard to keep the soup kitchen away. They suffered when the night club was open and they fear more anti social behaviour albeit on a much smaller scale.
Guest 1831- Registered: 1 Sep 2016
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What this thread shows. Regarding this acute problem.
The Agencies and Councillors (Let's face it, there are many of them) seem unable to progress or solve anything.
I also understand Porchlight do not operate in Dover anymore.
This Soup Kitchen has been moved all around the Town, because people in residences, do not want it near to them.
This is not being addressed at all.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Christine there are a number of people working hard to resolve this issue, and it is ongoing, I'm still amazed that a ward of some 2,000 people 2 people can object and stop it happening.
So we have to move on, get a place, call it to be scrutinised as a decision, but find a new place its most important, and probably getting agencies such as the police to be around for the hours the soup kitchen is open.
it can work
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Use the car park at the top of castle hill.Any one who needs to use it have the time to walk up there if they know what time it is open. If no one does not use it then they have no need for it in the first place.If I needed to use it I would walk up there.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Keith refers to the police but they will be even less likely to patrol Adrian Street than in the Pencester Road location even though the hut is only open for 40 minutes or so.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Well maybe that's part of the direction we should be putting pressure on?
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Guest 1935- Registered: 2 Dec 2016
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Christine - I'm still amazed that a ward of some 2,000 people 2 people can object and stop it happening.
Perhaps the most offensive post I have read on this forum for a long time.
Blaming the victims of on going antisocial behaviour for complaining for a problem that is not of their making.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I wouldn't have called post 114 offensive in any way, there were no personal insults, just a member stating an opinion.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Howard of course when someone (unknown) doesn't like what is being said they attempt to dismantle it .
Thankfully Iv never been in the position of those needing the soup kitchen, but recognise the need
Still hopefully in line with forum debate it would be nice to know who your debating with rather than hiding behind names, but that's another issue
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