howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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It comes up in front of planning on February 23rd Keith and it will get passed. I was speaking to one of the main objectors in town earlier and he thought the same. The residents lives were blighted by the night club for years and all their pleadings to DDC went unheard.
Keith Sansum1
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I;m thinking not Howard
but lets wait and see
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Jan Higgins
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Howard. how do you know it will be passed prior to the planning meeting? Unless you know something the rest of us do not it is pure conjecture on your part not fact.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Passed at the planning meeting Jan not prior to.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:It comes up in front of planning on February 23rd Keith and it will get passed.
You stated it will get passed, what you should have said was I think or believe or even I understand, there is a big difference and what you wrote infers you know for sure what will happen at the meeting.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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A senior DDC officer made the planning application jan.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Howard
There is no guarantee nor should there be, senior officer or not
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:A senior DDC officer made the planning application jan.
That means you are implying that that particular DDC officer has the power to get things through planning at will, which makes a complete mockery of the whole planning system.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Just heard that DDC have given the go ahead for the soup kitchen to operate in Adrian Street for a period of 6 months.
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They really should find a full time solution
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Captain Haddock
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I'm with the Onion on this one
http://www.theonion.com/article/soup-kitchen-thinks-it-can-solve-the-worlds-proble-1921 though no doubt the soup-ladelers will feel good for having done 'something' however ineffectual.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Rather a pointless article above, it bashes the idea of soup kitchens but does not come up with a better idea.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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I'm friends with the lady who started the soup kitchen many years ago and I can tell you they serve up more than soup..I think they should have taken up the offer of an empty shop offered by DDC .?At least they have six months to sort them selves.
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Firstly homelessness is not 'just' a British problem, Germany for example having a higher homelessness rate.
Having worked at a homelessness charity 'dealing' with rough sleepers the question I seriously ask is whether a 'soup kitchen' does anything to solve the problem or merely allows it to continue.
In my experience most of the clients had some sort of 'issue'. Most had some mental health problem, many a problem with either drug or alcohol abuse, far too many were ex-forces and unable to cope with getting through the day without being told what to do and when to do it.
These problems need a multi-agency approach such as that from Porchlight or the Conection at St Martins in the Fields. I suggest that money spent by charities such as these provides much better use of any charitable funds, a soup kitchen merely allowing the problem to perpetuate and actually (which we all suspect but few dare say) attracting needy persons to Dover from outside the district to the detriment of the town.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock wrote:Firstly homelessness is not 'just' a British problem, Germany for example having a higher homelessness rate.
Having worked at a homelessness charity 'dealing' with rough sleepers the question I seriously ask is whether a 'soup kitchen' does anything to solve the problem or merely allows it to continue.
In my experience most of the clients had some sort of 'issue'. Most had some mental health problem, many a problem with either drug or alcohol abuse, far too many were ex-forces and unable to cope with getting through the day without being told what to do and when to do it.
These problems need a multi-agency approach such as that from Porchlight or the Conection at St Martins in the Fields. I suggest that money spent by charities such as these provides much better use of any charitable funds, a soup kitchen merely allowing the problem to perpetuate and actually (which we all suspect but few dare say) attracting needy persons to Dover from outside the district to the detriment of the town.
I can echo most of that based on my voluntary experience with the charity "Crisis", ideally there would be more charities like Emmaus that take people in to work, usually collecting/delivering/shifting furniture and/or restoring contributed items of furniture. Much easier getting off substances when one is busy and that a good dinner, bed and hot shower awaits at the end of the day. That said many simply have no interest in getting off booze or drugs so for them and people just unfortunate enough to fall on hard times soup kitchens are a lifeline.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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To a point I actually agree with Bob F.
But the soup kitchen does also provide a life line to many, so whilst for some it can in your eyes be abused, the life line is important
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Temporary planning permission was granted back in June for the soup kitchen to relocate to Adrian Street, does anyone know how things are working out there?
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Still in Bench Street this evening.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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FWIW I've just spoken to a DDC councillor who says they are staying at Bench St as can't afford to comply withDDC conditions such as CCTV system at Adrian Street.
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