howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I took it to mean "natural wastage" bureaucratic speak for people leaving to get another job.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I got a leaflet through the door yesterday from the Blues giving the rundown on their candidates. They obviously didn't trust me to read it as they posted another through today. By all accounts a Polish chap is doing some deliveries for them.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
minimum wage zero hours contract,i bet.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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I'm getting mighty tired of this zero hours myth nonsense and sicker of the food bank myth that's doing the rounds. All smoke and mirrors playing into the hands of the gullible in order to garner labour votes.
There are plenty of other myths that people believe but try telling them the truth about it and their reaction is one of attacking the messenger rather than opening their eyes to it all.
People are strange nes ce pas?
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,257
You're saying there isn't a huge increase in people using and in the number of foodbanks? Seems an elaborate ruse what with all the volunteers and the donations of foodstuffs?
Arte et Marte
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Use of them has gone up by over a 1000% since 2010. Dave reckons it is because they are better advertised!!
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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Phillip that just shows the manipulation of stats, the fact remains more food banks have opened or expanded their service based on need not on media headlining. To take anything published on "order-order.com" as fact is incredibly gullible!!!
Arte et Marte
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I find the opposite - best source on the web for factual info that those of an anti-libertarian bent would rather we didn't know.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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I actually read the Trussell Trust's own report before I ever saw the Guido comment being tweeted and the order-order report turns out to be entirely accurate and in accordance with what the Trussell Trust says itself - just over a million food bank 'transactions' (a family of 4 (husband, wife and two kids) being counted as 4 transactions, even though they account for just one visit to a food bank) and the norm for number of foodbank visits per annum per family being 2 visits - so one family of 4 accounts for 8 foodbank transactions in a year. Therefore, the figure given of a million people (which implies that a million different people were involved) using foodbanks in the last year is total bull. Lies, damn lies and statistics as they say........
This is not to say that the number of food banks has not grown or that it is ok that even as many people that really use them (somewhere south of 500k) are driven to do so by the bad situations that they find themselves in.
Of course our society and our economy needs to improve, so does our productivity and our work ethic so that the jobs that we do earn businesses sufficient money to pay higher wages - if the job that you do earns your employer £8 per hour (for the bit that you do) and they have to pay you £8.50 an hour to do it, they will soon be out of business and you'll soon be out of a job. Compassion and a fair wage from employers together with hard work and realistic wage expectations from employees is what gets people out of financial trouble. The disconnect between what people want to receive in pay (at the top of the tree the excess that they get) and what the job earns for the business is shocking at both ends of the scale.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
Factually & realistically correct Neil.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Thank you Neil.
Just shows how statistics can be twisted to give whatever impression you want, one reason why I usually ignore them.
I know at times there will be genuine hardship through no fault of your own but I can't help but wonder how many foodbank users just have no real idea how to manage the money in their pocket. We had to rely on my husband's dole money when he was laid off from the ferries in the winter back in the 70s but we always had a decent meal on the table every day.
If there is something going free there will always be those who will take advantage.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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A lot of people are referred to food banks because their benefits have been stopped and they have no income coming until they are reinstated.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,876
That was why I said there will be genuine cases, but what about the rest?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Some troll has dug up comments made on twitter when he was between the ages of 12 and 15 with UKIP having a feeding frenzy about it.
http://www.dover-express.co.uk/Dover-Conservative-council-candidate-18/story-26384994-detail/story.htmlGuest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Charlie has defended him on account of his age when the tweets were made, no problem with that whatsoever, however he did not apply the same standards when he lambasted the Junior PCC Paris Brown for similar juvenile indiscretions.
Audere est facere.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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The only person who comes out of this badly is David Little whose comments make him sound like a complete twerp.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Still trying to ascertain who the troll HSDEAL is not the first time he/she has spent a lot of time digging up the past, I have been told that it is Ian Kilberry a Deal town councillor but cannot be sure.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
there again it could be the high speed train howard,the clue is in the word its self.