When does safety not count. When it is in Dover!

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• Keith Sansum1

  • Location: london
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  14 January 2011     21:4688988
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  sorry must have misunderstood first line of your post 78
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• Jan Higgins

  • Location: Dover
  • Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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  14 January 2011     22:0488989
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  Why is it that some of the numerous signposts are not near the kerb but take up pavement space. Are the cotractors unable to put them near the kerb edge like the lamp posts.
  
  The worst area I can think of is at the end of Frith Road at the traffic lights. The traffic light box takes up half the pavement, there is the pedestrian crossing pole, barriers and lamp post as a result the path is single file . Pure hell especially around school arrival and departure times.
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• Guest 660

  • Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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  14 January 2011     22:1388990
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  Vic I am well aware of the report by EH,so you want to spend up to £200,000 to get rid off all the barriers then!
  If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
• Keith Sansum1

  • Location: london
  • Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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  14 January 2011     22:4088995
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  there is probably a good reason when you come down coombe valley road you can turn rght into london road and left in cherry tree and right into barton road
  leading you to the ferries
  
  but the sign indicates for you to turn left into london road
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• Guest 649

  • Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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  14 January 2011     22:4788997
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  Jan that is what they are saying.
  
  Traffic Lights Are Essential for road safety and reducing congestion at busy junctions.
  
  False
  Traffic lights are only necessary where streets are designed for vehicle speeds above 30m.p.h..
  They do not necessarily reduce accidents.
  Uncontrolled junctions encourage lower speeds and greater caution,and can reduce delays to vehicles and pedestrians.
  That what they are saying in the book,I must say I can not agree 100% with that.
• Jan Higgins

  • Location: Dover
  • Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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  14 January 2011     23:0689005
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  Not sure what you are saying Vic.
  
  I am not complaining about the lights or the barriers at the end of Frith Road, just all the 'junk' around there taking up all the pavement space. If it were not for the lights I would never be able to cross the road over to Morrisons.
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• Guest 649

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  14 January 2011     23:0889007
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  Yes that is what I am thinking to, I did say I could not agree 100% on this one.But they do go on to say Integrate traffic signals with lamp columns,and i can not see why that can not be done.
• Guest 653

  • Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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  15 January 2011     08:4689019
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  Too much street clutter is not always good for blind people; I know of at least one Lady, who fell over an A board in Worthington Street and spent 4 months in hospital because of it.
  
  Close liaison between Kent Association for the Blind and those organising street clutter/furniture/railings, should be had in all cases.
  
  
  
  Roger
• Keith Sansum1

  • Location: london
  • Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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  15 January 2011     08:5189020
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  roger
  i did raise the issue on street furniture
  nut others tiold me this posting was only on railings
  even though they mentioned street furniture themselves
  
  so i let the street furniture go a little
  
  but i do share your view and the aeticle i posted on the frui and veg shop was one tha partially sighted people were complaining about
  and other shops doing the same
  if you have good sight its not a problem to get round
  not so easy when your not
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• Guest 653

  • Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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  15 January 2011     09:0689021
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  Exactly.
  
  
  
  Roger
• Sue Nicholas

  • Location: river
  • Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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  15 January 2011     09:2789025
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  See my post 48 I had already spoken about A boards and I did put that in my comment to Jacobs .
• Guest 649

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  15 January 2011     10:0189030
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  I will come back on this one,I have a meeting of UKIP this morning so I AM ABOUT TO GO.
• Guest 671

  • Registered: 4 May 2008
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  15 January 2011     12:1289047
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  Probably every town and village could do with a review on street furniture but using words like should & might when it comes to barriers does not work for me. Those big dents , bends & damage to barriers were not made by pedestrians.
  "My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
• Keith Sansum1

  • Location: london
  • Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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  15 January 2011     12:1489048
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  garyc
  i think theres an even wider debate to be had on street furniture(non signage)which has been touched upon on here
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• howard mcsweeney1

  • Location: Dover
  • Registered: 12 Mar 2008
  • Posts: 62,352
  15 January 2011     14:1189066
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  there seems to be two issues here.
  
  a) street furniture and general clutter, which we seem to have too much of.
  
  b) safety railings, which i fully support.
• Guest 672

  • Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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  15 January 2011     14:2089067
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  On a lighter note Howard. safety railings support themselfs I think.
  grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
• Bern

  • Location: Dover
  15 January 2011     15:4889079
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  AAAAARRRGGGHHH! I think we need a definition: street furniture usually applies to all the railings, signposts and other highway gribble, NOT the shops and their poking out into the street. That, I believe, we could call an accident waiting to happen.
• Jan Higgins

  • Location: Dover
  • Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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  15 January 2011     18:3289113
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  Coming home from the shop today I noticed three empty posts that I assume had signs at some time. One in Frith Road round the corner from Salisbury Road, the other two just round the corner either side of Salisbury Road.
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• howard mcsweeney1

  • Location: Dover
  • Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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  15 January 2011     19:1789134
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  ian
  
  after i posted i noticed the error and wondered who would spot it first.
  
  i had colin down as favourite followed by you.
• Guest 698

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  15 January 2011     19:4489135
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  Well done Bern, I thought I was pedant-in-chief on this forum.
  I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson

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