Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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13 January 2011
21:3388847vic,are you looking at scrap value,you might get enough for a swift coke down peters.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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13 January 2011
21:4388850Sorry for stoping and starting but I will be back at 2200hrs,I am trying to do some work at this time.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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13 January 2011
23:3488862All what I am telling you is from that book,I did and still do support it. I had no part in the make up of it at all ,but I wish I had.
One part is about Street Furniture.
Nothing should be placed in the street unless it is unavoidable.
The finest towns often have the minimum amout of street furniture, carefully sited to reinforce an underlying sense of order.
Keep and repair hisoric street furniture,such as troughs, fountains,seats,lampposts, red telephone kiosks, post boxes,and street name sighs, which give local character.
REmove all superfluous furniture.
I would just like to add to this by saying if this happen overnight in Dover it would add to our quality of life alot.
Back to the book.
Keep signs to the minimum.
Wherever possible, attach them to existing lampposts or buildings,or alternatively place them on low-level poles at the back of the pavement.
Integrate traffic signals with lamp columns.
Use a single dark colour for everthing..
Ok, now we get down to the rails ETC again I agree with this to.
Remove guardrails unless absolutely necessary and where possible use traditional local designs.
Avoid standardardised lampposts.White light from short lampposts is friendlier and makes pedestrians feel safer..
Eliminate the need for bollards along pavement edges by retaining kerblines.Higher pavements and strictly enforced parking rules will discourage vehicles from mounting the pavement.
New street furniture, well-designed and in appropriate materials,can complement historic settings and in some cases is better than reproductions of traditional designs or standard catalogue solutions.
CCTV cameras can be discretely attached to buildings instead of poles,or disguised as street lamps..
The back of the paverment is usually best to minimise visual intrusion into the street scene.
Still lots more to come yet,some of you might fine this boring,but others will pickup on what is being wrote about.
I know that most of it will get the support of the councils.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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13 January 2011
23:5088863We can discuss this until we are blue in the face but I don't think we should be spending public money except where it's necessary to prevent injury.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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14 January 2011
00:0288864Just to add what you said Peter.
This booklet is about English Heritages campaign to restore dignity and charactor to our historic streets.
It is hard to imagine soming that would make more immediate improvement to our surroundings that could be so QUICKLY and CHEAPLY ACHIEVED.
That is not me saying that Peter but Bill Bryson, English Commissioner,October 2004,this would not cost alot.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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14 January 2011
13:1088903There are some interesting and good ideas in that list, Vic.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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14 January 2011
13:3888910Thank you Kath,There still lots to come on this one later. Thank you for your support about it.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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14 January 2011
18:5988956I cannot find the information at the moment but I think it was in Ramsgate that last year went through a 'street clutter' clearance removing dozens of signs. Thinks like a sign pointing to the harbour and beach when it can clearly be seen next to you !!
Been nice knowing you :)
14 January 2011
19:2988960There are a few other issues, though. People with visual impairments, for instance, often rely on the sensory prompts of street furniture to find their way around - to do away with them may well impact seriously on the independence of some.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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14 January 2011
19:5488962Well Bern in this book it has a pageon True or False.
(1)Guardrails are essential to improve Pedestrian Safety.
That is false.
Barriers beween pedestrians and traffic encourage higher speeds and generate a false sense of security.
They reduce visibility for children and people in wheelchairs and inconvenience all pedestrians.
There is little evidence to suggest they improve long-term safety.
I will be telling alot more later tonight,this all makes very good reading and we the public and councils should pick up on it.
14 January 2011
19:5788963What has that to do with visually impaired people?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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14 January 2011
20:0288964As I have said still alot more to come yet,but if you are visually impaired the less street furniture there is will be a help, less to bump into .
14 January 2011
20:1288965Not true - people with visual impairments often use familiar furniture to navigate, and rarely "bump into" things because of either skilled use of sticks etc or practice. I think it is wise to know what you are talking about if you are going to be sharing information.................
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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14 January 2011
20:2388966Vic, while it may be true that they are not essential they do play a large part in discouraging dangerous patterns of crossing, stopping very young children from running into the road, guiding people towards the sensible use of proper crossings and assisting those with all sorts of handicaps. That's the trouble with some books, they only give you half the story; or just the bits they want you to read.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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14 January 2011
20:3488967There is one barrier outside the shop I call the fireplace shop next to the Royal Victoria Hospital that Nigel says looks unsightly,while I agree with him there are 2 signs on it,if this barrier is done away with we have got to have 2 new signposts put up instead
Vic instead of reading the UKIP manifesto or other official documents try using common sense,you may even get a point across instead of souning like a monotone broadcast, and you might get a bit more support.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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14 January 2011
21:0988979This has nothing to do with any party if you going to read my post read it John.This English Heritage and the Womens Institute that have put is together at it was done years ago in 2005,and it is called Save our Streets.,it works in other parts of the UK so why not in Dover.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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14 January 2011
21:2188983Within alocal authority, no-one takes over-all responsibility for co-ordinating urban design and traffic engineering ,Bollards ,posts and sighs proliferate over time without anyone determiningwhether each new addition is strictly necessary or integrated into the wider area.
Signage and saftety guidelines are followed too rigidly and standard solutions applied across the whole country.
As a result England has become a land in which traffic and people are segregated into two worlds.Too often people are hemmed in behind guardrails ,children have to limit their freedom of movement ,and unnecessary opstacles are placed in the way of those with disabilities.
And we see alot of the above in our town.
14 January 2011
21:2888984No-one would argue that we need more street furniture Vic, but it isn't sensible to throw the baby away with the bathwater - there is more to signage than just pointing at stuff.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
14 January 2011
21:3688985BERN
Some do argue on the amount of street furniture
it was a bone of contention for some time when the fruit and veg was out on the street front opposite florists near the albert
then the £1 shop followed suit thus the public highway was taken up with shop goods and left little room for pedestrians to pass
as for partially sited i felt realy sorry for them
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14 January 2011
21:4288987Shopgoods are not what we are on about, is it? I thought it was the signage?