howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 February 2011
13:2294004makes it all the more important that john made it such an issue in the first place.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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24 February 2011
13:4094005Yes a well done to JHG himself..he deserves our star award for fighting for this.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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24 February 2011
23:1194078You can thank John for raising it on here, but it was Nigel who got the KCC Cabinet member and Jacobs down to Dover and Kent Highways to agree it should come to the JTB before any removal of railings.
Roger
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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25 February 2011
07:3994093It would have been passed by now without anyone knowing about it,if I hadn't had brought it up,and it was the Chairman of JTB that gets it on the agenda.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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25 February 2011
09:5994102Come on boys play nicely .Save your energy for the debate at the next JTB
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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26 February 2011
08:0794280I'm sorry John, because you brought it up on here doesn't mean that it would never have come to the JTB - DoverForum is a good and valuable forum, but it certainly isn't that powerful.
It came to the JTB because people were talking to KCC and doing things, instead of writing messages on here.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
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26 February 2011
08:1294282Roger
you undervalue the powerfulness of the forum.
Does it realy matter who raised the issue first?
We all realise that our Nigel is living on borrowed time on KCC but im sure hes able to defend himself.
At the end of the day it was raised
don't matter who
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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26 February 2011
08:1794286It was featured big time in the newspapers too Roger including pictures..it got wide coverage. John workded hard at getting the coverage and thats to be commended as it rallied opinion.
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26 February 2011
08:3394292I'm not disputing any of that Paul, but local (Dover) papers or forums won't sway KCC Cabinet members or senior officers.
Roger
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Another accident in the Frith Road area today,by Granville Street a person knocked over,don't know all the details yet,so I think we should have more pedestrian barriers not less.Since they were put up the Town has changed and I agree that some could go but then we need more in areas like Morrison's that have rediverted the pedestrians habits in the Town
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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roger
you say in post 149 that kcc would not be swayed by the media, yet in post 140 you state that it would have just been a done deal at one time.
other than john bringing it to everyone's attention, i cannot see why they changed their mind.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That's right Howard. KCC would not have been swayed by the media - local papers or our Forum.
Without Nigel's intervention, it would have just been done, without coming to the JTB, nothing to do with John posting about it on here at all.
Roger
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As far as I can remember, Nigel mentioned this to me a week or so before it came out on the forum. He was anxious to put a lid on it before it was blown out of proportion by political opponents. Unfortunately I think KCC is heavily officer-led and these things happen from time to time. John was right to bring it to public attention but Nigel was already walking the streets looking at the various sites. That's what politics is all about I suppose.
But I still can't understand why the officers at KCC want to spend public money fixing things which ain't broke.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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In reply to the last post .How can this assumption be made ?I have worked with KCC officers and I have never been given the impression that KCC is officer led
Bar gossip is not good .Maybe good for trade however dont believe all you here .
.There are many cogs in the wheele and all are dependant to make the circle go round .
Team work gets the job done .
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Could I personally thank John and anyone else who have highlighted this very serious issue.
Isn't it sad that people are now playing party politics and trying to political point score.
Does it realy matter if it was john or anyone else who raised the issue first, i understand nigel is on the way out, but realy this is playground stuff.
On the question of officers, let's get real on this,
the councils KCC/DDC has always been officer led, and that's unlikely to change under any administration.
If i were an officer as i told k tranter yesterday, i would do much the same, although i would lay much more blame(discreetly)on the cllrs lol.
Councillors supposedly set the policies and officers carry them out, of course in reality the officers are in the building all day, where as cllrs a few hours if your lucky some days.
so the officers do ther own thing and have dione for years, most officers laugh at the imput from cllrs and the small time committment.
Of course there is a debate about how to get cllrs more involved and be more part of decision making, but the cabinet system still supported by the tory administration allows 9 or ten people to make decisions(on toliets it showed only took one nigel to make that fiascio decision)_
many decisiions within planning are made by officers delegated powers.
anyone that doesnt believe the unelected officers run the council are living in cloud cuckoo land
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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We have a situation whereby the hired help in Kent Highways have commissioned a study, had a report written, allocated funding and presented the affected elected members with what almost amounted to a fait accompli. Doesn't sound much like teamwork to me. Sounds like officers getting too big for their boots- and probably desperate to spend funds allocated to that particular purpose before fiscal year end and before the pothole department gets its hands on the money.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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peter
where have you been the last 50 years or more?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that was how i read it.
council officers wanting their share of the budget and a contractor trying to get some work done before the end of the financial year.
didn't happen though.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Keith I am just trying to get across to our elected councillors that no matter how hard they tug on the reins or dig in their spurs, the municipal horse just keeps plodding along in its own time and with its bad old habits.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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and peter, all councils across the country are the same officer led.
it is wrong to blame just one council
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