Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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14 November 2010
14:3980011Roger, yesterday I did some more researching, and to my horror discovered that some Ian Duncan Smith has called unemployed people in Britain 'lazy and incapable Britons'. It went on to state that since the new Government got in, masses of more people came to Britain and got jobs, that they are the vast moajority of people who get jobs. Is it a lost cause?
I mean, you need only read some comments that come up whenever anything is mentioned about unemployed people here. They all have needles in their tongues, they all have tatood faces (it's the implied message), they all stand in front of the job-centre with their dog.
Shall I just give up and look elsewhere for some better comments? It's despairing!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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14 November 2010
14:4580012Roger, is there anything the District Council would like to do NOW to engage in some special way to find any kind of work for unemployed people, other than the free market system that evidently chooses the healthy and capable who all work at a minimum wage and never complain and are never late? Because like it is now, it seems pointless. I think many people have given up the will to even work, and one may only read some comments that come out to understand why.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 November 2010
16:2780020we can only comment on what we see and hear, i don't think that there was an implication that all unemeployed people had tattoos on the faces or bits of metal sticking out of them.
Ross Miller
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14 November 2010
17:1880035I think we all need to take a couple of paces back and catch our breaths and perspectives on this one.
There are a small minority of the unemployed who never have and never will want to work and through their attitude and behaviour have effectively made themselves unemployable.
There is a sizeable minority who make minimal efforts to find jobs, sufficient to maintain benefits, because the current system penalises them financially if they were successful in getting a job.
The remainder do not want to be on benefits and will make every effort to get work, unfortunately too often the system hinders and penalises them rather than helping them.
As Alexander in his very own idiosyncratic style has said we must stop stigmatising all those who find themselves in the position of being without work, for the majority this is not a lifestyle choice it is something they bear whilst they try to find work.
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14 November 2010
20:3480057Absolutely. I remember taking someone to task a while back for complaining that an unemployed guy was out playing skittles. I asked if they expected him to sit at home with the curtains closed until he found work. He was job-hunting strenuously but because he was also living a life he was villified. Apart from the obvious crap, it matters that people job hunting maintain a positive outlook - it helps them to find work!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 November 2010
21:0180061appearances do count, anyone turning up at an interview is on a loser if dressed casual, has visual tattoos and/or piercings.
this can also apply to someone self employed, for example if you were looking for a builder to do some work would you be impressed by someone turning up to give an estimate that had the above "attributes"?
Jan Higgins
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14 November 2010
21:2680066I am afraid I would be more worried if said builder turned up in a suit and tie, after a day at work I would expect him to be a bit scruffy. Booted and suited would say to me he was not very busy and good builders are always busy.
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Guest 676- Registered: 1 Jul 2008
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14 November 2010
23:3680082Howard
I have both visual tattoos and piercings, they have never hindered me in getting a job, but you have not been on the interview panel.
Million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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15 November 2010
00:2780095Mr Duncan Smith will announce a new "claimant contract" under which the Government promises more intensive, tailor-made support for the jobless.
Found this information from 11 Nov. 2010. My question remains, what does DDC intend doing to participate in any such support to get the jobless working? Surely Gov. would require local Councils to come up with a programme tailor-made for the local people. I wonder if Roger would afford a reply on this one? For some time I've been proposing that something be done, we need initiative.
I suppose one day Gov. will issue a decree placing responsibility on local District Councils to come up with ideas for their local people, as a Council would be expected to know their own District and what economic possibilities and potentials it can offer.
I think that sooner or later the issue will come up, and it won't be good enough then to hide behind elaborate plans of devolping new suburbs and hoping in people coming along from America and opening shops! Gov. might require that Councils dedicate themselves to the local people and see how they can get a job.
Somehow I knew that Gov. would get some common sense going. Here in Dover we really need it!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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15 November 2010
08:5180102Alexander.
Going back to your question about DDC helping people to find a job; some time earleir this year there was a Neighbourhood Forum meeting at the (Dover) Town Council offices, where all the public were invited to find out about looking for work and all the agencies that could help them do so.
I believe this was a meeting that attracted about 3 members of the public. It was advertised on here, in my emails I send round and I believe in the local newspapers.
Two things struck me, how much is done to help people get (back) to work and how much apathy there is in actually doing so. Most of the prepatory work for this NF meeting was done by DDC and KCC and of bringing all the agencies together.
I think there have been one or two presentations in the Market Square too.
Roger
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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15 November 2010
10:1380108My Father retired at the age of 65 ,I can see his face now he was very sad .He had no private pension only a few bob from the state .The trouble now a days too many people working much longer and married woman working .There are less jobs for the young people .When I was widowed all those years ago I received a Widowed Mothers allowance when my children reached 16 it reverted to a widows pension .I was very grateful for this this I only did a small part time job at Christmas one year because to have returned to a full time job would have deprived a younger person of a job .When I first became a Councillor the pay was for attendance only which i used for child care .
I could be much richer but it was my choice .
IT annoys me to see people working after retirement age .
My parents lived a simple life .
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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15 November 2010
11:5280116It annoys me as well Sue, the working pensioners are depriving our unemployed family man/woman from a much needed job. I suppose the pensioners are working either through boredom, so they can have un-needed luxuries or maybe their ego makes them think they are indispensible.
Enjoy your retirement while you can my husband, father and father-in-law all died shortly after retiring.
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Keith Sansum1
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15 November 2010
12:0780117Funny that, when I raised the same issue when vic said he might go back to work having retired aged 67 I said at the time thats fine but he will be depriving onother person non pensionable age a job.
At that time most agreed him should be able to work for as long as he likes
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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15 November 2010
12:2380123Roger, the Council's interest that local people without work can find employment is certainly there and credible, but a few proposals to increment the initiative could be interesting and useful.
It would mean going considerably further and probably could be done with the participation of job-centre-related staff. It would need the consent and participation of local employers.
I suggest that the Council ask if local factories and farmers would be prepared to offer on-site presentation and training to prospective workers, who could be present in smal guided groups of say ten people at a time. An introduction of how work functions, for example in Tilmanstone Salads and the London Fancy Box Factory, and watching how the work is done, say for two hours two three days running, would be probably the best way!
The only thing is, though, that if some of the participnats of each group say they are interested and would like to give it a try and become employed, would the factory-managers/owners also employ them? They often prefer young fit and diligent people and have plenty of them!
Anyway, if you think the Council might like to take this extraordinary step, it could lead to results, and would therefore be worth trying. Soner or later Gov. will probably propose andrequire it anyway. Gov. is serious about finding work for British people, and Iain Duncan Smith has said that it is the fault of 'lazy and incapable Britons' that millions of immigrants get 70 per cent of all jobs in Britain.
These words come from Gov., not from me, so they are serious about it and have openly stated that British people should find work and not let so many jobs go to immigrants.
The words are written on the wall, Roger, Gov. is changimng things, and sayingthings that people like me and from UKIP have been saying in the past.
So Dover District Council would be offering a shining example to all Britain by offring something particular tailor-made for unemployed local people.
If you are interested, I would be prepared to help.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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15 November 2010
12:3480126Alexander
Iwish you well should this venture, as far as that is Britan for britain, dont agree there, and there are many a discussion to be had on that one.
The old YTS scheme in many industries worked well
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15 November 2010
15:5280140Isn't ir all about choice? I am a married woman, working. It really isn't up to you to say I am depriving someone else of a job. If I wanted to be dependent on my Old Man I would join a sect. There are jobs to be had - don't go trying to make the ones who want to work feel bad about it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 November 2010
16:4880145i think everyone should have the right to work regardless of age, the state pension is not enough to sustain a reasonable lifestyle.
i doubt that many who have worked in physically demanding jobs would want to work at 65 though.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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15 November 2010
17:1980147It's not just physically demanding jobs that can be demanding. I retired by choice at 60 cos my brain was worn out well before my body.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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15 November 2010
18:2980150If I get fit and that is a big if at this time ,the Job I will be doing would not go to anyone ,that does not mean I am the best and the only one that could do it,because that would not be true,but it is somone helping me.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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15 November 2010
19:4680164Alexander - thanks for your reply, but I don't think that should be the job of the local authority, but more perhaps of the Chamber of Commerce.
Whether that would be via the Business Support Manager or not would be up to them, but I can see a scenario where businesses and the (South Kent) College could be working together to determine staffing requirements and skills/training requirements.
Roger