Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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19 November 2010
15:5480792BarryW,
I have no problem with us having different outlooks, in fact i am very happy we have.
I am refering to Alexanders post "Iain Duncan Smith has said openly that it's the fault of the unemployed that 70 per cent of jobs go to immigrants". Sorry i assumed you read other posts on this thread. You have a very annoying way of picking out little snippets that is easy for you to reply to but ignore answers to other posters questions that would put you in a different light. On what grounds do you believe i could not run a bussiness?
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Keith Sansum1
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19 November 2010
15:5880794gARYC
And now we have the tory lord telling us we have never had it so good,
no wonder cameron is fuming
more so,,, so is the hard hit country!!
and they havn't expelled him from the tory party yet, so you can only presume as theres been no other announcement that the tores in general think you have never had it so good.
But back in the real world,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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19 November 2010
18:1280804Keith - I have been in business for over 21 years so that is a very odd thing to say.
GaryC - I did not relate your comment to that and thought you were referring to me. I am not telepathic.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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19 November 2010
18:2380806Barry, thought I'd put you more into perspective. Recently, when I noted that in the 3 months up tp September '10 there were, according to the Office for National Statistics, 457,000 job vacancies in Britain, you replied stating that these were the vacancies with Jobcentreplus.
I answered that this is not the case. The Statistics office mentioned would not be so naive!
In the three months leading to October, the vacancies are 454,000, which is 27,000 down on the quarterly figure (and 3,000 down on the previous month). The Office for National Statistics is the major official statistic source compiled by the Government.
Unless you can prove otherwise with official statistics, the job vacancies in the 3 months leading to October 2010 are 454,000. It's pointless trying to give people an opinion of the job-market that clearly does not correspond to reality.
The official number of unemployed in the UK is 2.45 million, but the Government has openly noted that it considers the actual figure to be over 5 million, including many who are on incapacity benefits and do not come in the unemployed statistics.
The Government in the person of IDS say that 500,000 people on incapacity benefits could find work straight away, and that hundreds of thousands of others on incapacity benefits could find work with a little extra help!!!.
IDS however does not explain how all these plus the 2.45 million officially unemployed can get a job with only 454.000 vacancies, and that considering that well over 70 per cent of vacancies go to immigrants.
Please don't reply saying that IDS figures refer to the whole world! They refer to Britain.
Jan Higgins
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19 November 2010
19:4880811Alexander, I think what the IDS mean is that some of those claiming incapacity benefit would be suitable for employment if there were jobs. In other words they should be available for work not sitting at home just claiming the benefits, which SOME prefer to do.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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19 November 2010
20:0180813Jan, there are two discussions goin on conerning unemployed people, one regarding people louting about doing nothing, to aeassume one current opinion, the other regarding the total number of people that the Government considers unemployed.
IDS stated that 500,000 people on incapacity benefits could get to work immediately, and the point I have been trying to bring over is that, in high, they are preparing a new set-up of laws to get millions of unemployed people in Britain to work.
The Bill will be presented in Parliament in January, and the 'new credit' scheme, as it has been called, will be phased in from 2013.
I think it ought be pointed out, that if about 5 million people are supposed to get a job, the problem will not be directing all flood-lights on 'lazy people doing nothing', but on getting millions of people to work. How the Government will go about it, with so few work vacancies for so many people, only God, or may-be even Gov., knows!
So, no Jan, IDS did not say 'some of those claiming incapacity benefit', but 500,000 of those, immediately, and hundreds of thousands of others claiming said benefits (incapacity) with some extra help. Adding to the 1,5 million people on unemployment benefit, and the one million unemployed who do not receive unemployment benefit.
Your 'some of those', does not correspond to what I read on official Government websites. Sorry Jan!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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19 November 2010
20:0680816at the end of the day i.d.s can say what he likes there are not nearly enough jobs to cater for the genuine job seeker let alone the career loafers, all just a load of hot air from the government.
even our own honourable member said prior to the election that although he was in favour of dramatically cutting the unemployment figures, that the time was not now.
Ross Miller
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19 November 2010
20:4180820There are jobs out there one just needs to look in the right places.
I subscribe to a number of job boards and over the last week have been e-mailed details of over 75 Project Management vacancies in Financial Services where the salary is in line with my expectations. Between the 3 jobs boards there is significantly in excess of 20,000 jobs advertised in IT related fields in all industry sectors, non of these will go anywhere near a job centre.
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19 November 2010
21:1080822Ditto, Ross, re Directors and Project leads in the Third Sector and Public Sector. But they are different to the general jobs people are talking about, jobs for the young, new to employment, or the unskilled or inexperienced.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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19 November 2010
21:4380827True Bern, but a quick search of Jobsite.com for Kent shows 80 jobs on salaries up to £15k and a further 130 between £15k & £20k
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19 November 2010
22:0380831True - just checked!! I stand amended!
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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19 November 2010
23:2080836I know that is not a lot, but that is 210 jobs not at the Job Centre, the point I am making is that people really have to trust to their own resources.
I will make the same offer today that I have made in the past on/through various other local "channels", I am happy to offer some of my time to help anyone looking for work hone their CV, application letter, coach them on interview technique etc. I offer this for free by the way - ok a good cup of coffee generally works wonders with me
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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19 November 2010
23:2680838Alexander, may I be so bold as to ask what you are doing about the problem?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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20 November 2010
01:5580841Peter, right now I'm listening to The Redundancy Train Journey. It's one of my Scottish bagpipe tunes.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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21 November 2010
10:5080966BarryW, you proved my point, selective answer's from you again.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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21 November 2010
15:4080979yes gary your correct on barryw
also he thinks only he knows whats right(21 years in business)
as though no one else has been
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22 November 2010
00:4681068Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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22 November 2010
18:5281196Bob, All interesting jobs with good salaries, many of which my son would love to take up. Would any of them consider my son suitable for these positions with no qualifications other than Hygiene, health & safety in catering etc, no means of transport, his push bike is as broke as he is, no means of paying for public transport and residing in Deal?
I am sure these jobs have been snapped up by those from their areas by now.
Back to reality, my son had to sign on today, they fed his details into a pc and it came back with 5 jobs, that turned out to be unsuitable for him, according to the girl dealing with his claim. She was off hand and condescending and although he did not want to sign on anyway, he is more determined now than ever, not to repeat that interview. He has his name down for loads of xmas placements, I am sure he will get one.
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22 November 2010
20:2581234I wish him luck Gary. I understand his feelings - the experience is not a good one in those places.