howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 November 2010
19:4980167#41
roger
you are right it should be the chamber linking up with the new "k" college, but only a few weeks ago our own council fuhrer made a good case for the college doing courses that are more relevant locally, particularly the maritime ones.
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15 November 2010
20:1380173#42
BarryW.
Please don't think I am trying to single you out, I do comment on other's thread's but I have just read this topic and I have to say, my son has just been laid off, due to no fault of his own( seasonal downturn). He tried to apply as a taxi driver but it costs at least £500.00. Well done to your 68 year old man but my son is just as willing to get a job, the difference is, he cannot afford to buy one for 500 quid.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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15 November 2010
22:0680199#43
Gary, I wish your lad every success in finding work
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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15 November 2010
22:2680206#44
GaryC - I understand that. Nearly 22 years ago I was made redundant and decided that I would not put myself in that position again. I had £1800 redundancy and decided to go into business for myself, first thing I had to do was buy an old banger to get around as previously I had a company car. I then had to train and while I did not have to pay for that, I did live with little or no income for a few months while paying a mortgage and a 2 year old son. My wife did work but as our income had dropped by 2/3rds it was still not easy. I used up all the redundancy money and all that I had saved to do so cope.
Went well at first, started building up my business, then recession hit before I had a chance to rebuild my savings. That was tough, very tough. To use your expression, I bought my job - rather career, hard work, perseverence, sweat and taking some risks, all that led to long-term success.
I wish your lad luck, if he can beg or borrow the £500 it may be the start of something. I assure you, despite the risks, need to find investment, long hours and sheer hard work, it is worthwhile setting yourself up and being your own boss.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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15 November 2010
22:4280210#45
Just think, Barry, as my own boss I hoarded together thousands and thousands and thousands of euros...and eventually spent oit all!
But worked hard for it!
16 November 2010
11:1180256#46
Gary - good luck to you and yours, mate.
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16 November 2010
16:4380294#47
BarryW,
2 years ago he had a full time job in the docks at Burger King, not high profile but a job he enjoyed. He got laid off when a large coach firm switched to the tunnel. Since then he has worked part time at three cafes 2in Deal and the café at Fowlmead. He has never stopped looking for fulltime employment, choosing to work part time because he refused to sign on. He gets around on his bike, he cannot afford a car, he has no money in the bank. They don't pay redundancy to part time cheap labour, they just get laid off. In this case, he was told on Saturday he was no longer required and he finished on Sunday. This morning he got himself an interview, at Maidstone, for selling double glazing in Deal, if he is lucky, he will have to go to Maidstone for training, no travel, no pay, guess who will have to fork out for that? If he gets the job, he will get £50 per week with commission, if he is successful in getting someone to sign up, no sign up, no money. He would sooner do this than sign on.
Yes, I am very angry, my grandfathers and my father worked hard all their lives to keep our pits open to pass a living onto us, they died for that cause. My Colliery, Betteshanger, was economically viable and breaking production records when it was shut down. Please don't turn this into a political who's fault it was, that's history, I am just telling you how it is, for me and my family. You talk very glibly how easy it is to get a job, just get of your ass and look for one. Life just is not like that for most people. You just don't want to see it, you pick on the small bad bits of our society and use them as stick to emphasise your points of view.
Ross & Bern,
Thanks for your "good luck" I am sure he will get work, I am sure it won't be the work I wanted for him.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
16 November 2010
17:1380301#48
Gary, firstly best of luck to your son.
Secondly for many on the forum speaking of their own experience (myself included) the world has moved on.
I can't be bothered to list the number of jobs I've had in my life. Part-time, full-time, factory shut down as pipe fitter's mate etc. etc.
Yesterday (just for 'fun') I looked at the number of jobs for unskilled workers on-line in the Dover District and found less than a dozen.
We no longer need ill educated 'grunts' to hoik things around against gravity which is all manual labour is (and I certainly include mining in this).
I seriously don't see a solution for GB plc apart from a drop overall in living standards. There's no way we can keep the economy going by selling each other coffee/burgers or even building houses, in each case we are merely swapping money with each other.
Unfortunately since the coffee / beef/ building materials come from abroad the more we do it the more we dig ourselves into a hole.
Here's the serious figures:-
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16 November 2010
18:2080315#49
GaryC - he sounds like a credit to you and a role model for many others.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 November 2010
18:3180320#50
certainly true barry, but should he be put in this position of just having a few part time jobs that do not last, not a good advert for our society. someone as keen to work as he clearly is, should be able to enjoy the benefits of a full time permanent post.
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16 November 2010
18:5280330#51
But Howard - he is showing the kind of personal commitment and character that will impress potential employers. He is far more employable than most and it is only a matter of time before a more settled job arises. I consider what he is doing to be a far more important qualification than GCSE's, A levels or Uni degrees - as long as he applies for a job that he is capable of or can be trained into.
Character is what I look for first - he has the right stuff.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 November 2010
20:5680344#52
barry
we are talking about "human resources" departments here, they want a c.v. to contain very few jobs, when they see a few in a short time they do not concern themselves with the reasons for it.
a very small employer will take more of an interest and would be impressed by such, but in the forseeable future the jobs are coming from the big companies only.
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16 November 2010
21:3780356#53
He asked both his brother's for any jobs going with them? My eldest works on the Rail Tracks and he told him he could only help if he got himself a PTS ticket and track induction, cost about a £500, my other son could help if he got himself a forklift ticket, cost about £250. How have we come to this, having to pay to get employment?
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
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16 November 2010
21:4580358#54
Having a PTS AND fORKLIFT tIcket in the pass,(1) It saves the company many£1000,and also some companys and I was with a company this happen to, men turn up they get their Tickets and then they go to a better paid job.Must say the last company I worked for did then and still do pay for men to get their tickets but most have to be with the company 1year or more first.And not all pass then they have to go again for it adding to the cost.
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16 November 2010
22:0880361#55
Howard - that is total tosh what you say.
It is the smaller efficient thrusting growing businesses where the new jobs will be created fastest, those will the least beurocracy not pandering to the politically correct dictats of the last government and free from any kind of union influence.
'Human Resources' what a joke that is too - Personnel Departments is you please
16 November 2010
22:0980363#56
Gary, there is nothing to add to what you have said other than what a great son you have there. You have that to be proud of.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 November 2010
22:1980366#57
barry
i will refrain from calling your post "tosh", i will merely point out that you are out of touch, the vast majority of vacancies are with large companies, staff agencies and the job centres will confirm this.
before you bring up the subject of networking, gary's son would not have had a chance to be in the know at this stage of his search for a job.
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16 November 2010
22:4180368#58
I would also point out, Barry, that many small companies that set out to conquer a share of the market, do so by competing with already existing businesses, and when there are many businesses of the same kind, some lose their market share, and have to lay workers off.
The only way that a business can thrive from the start, is by coming out with a new invention, but then this would meand that the firms producing outdated items would have to lay their workers off or re-organise their production.
An example: when computers and printers came out in mass-production, type-writers were no longer required, nor the old-fashioned copy-printers, and firms needed less secretaries.
In our current recession, I wonder where I can see all your optimism on the employment market; try as I may, it's not at hand!
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17 November 2010
07:3280390#59
Make no mistake - most new jobs will come from smaller firms. They do not always get advertised in job centres or even private agencies, you have to get out and find them.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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17 November 2010
08:4780408#60
Barry is right and I also put that on my post to,but the more tickits you can get yourself the better ie A p.t.s. should get you a job within aday if you know the companys that need them,also a folklift one should also get you a job if you have both +first aid just go to any company at work with the Railways or a building company, first aid is a great one to have,working at highs and a CsCs card is a must for anybig company that will set you back about £100 but a must,if you wish to know more please email me and I will talk to you.alot of my tickits still have some 2or 3years before they runout working underground is a good one to get anyway just email me.
