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    Gary, firstly best of luck to your son.

    Secondly for many on the forum speaking of their own experience (myself included) the world has moved on.

    I can't be bothered to list the number of jobs I've had in my life. Part-time, full-time, factory shut down as pipe fitter's mate etc. etc.

    Yesterday (just for 'fun') I looked at the number of jobs for unskilled workers on-line in the Dover District and found less than a dozen.

    We no longer need ill educated 'grunts' to hoik things around against gravity which is all manual labour is (and I certainly include mining in this).

    I seriously don't see a solution for GB plc apart from a drop overall in living standards. There's no way we can keep the economy going by selling each other coffee/burgers or even building houses, in each case we are merely swapping money with each other.

    Unfortunately since the coffee / beef/ building materials come from abroad the more we do it the more we dig ourselves into a hole.

    Here's the serious figures:-

    http://www.statistics.gov.uk/instantfigures.asp

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