howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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not much use to people without the internet alex, they have the right to be made aware of issues such as the forthcoming referendum.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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The Unite union has officially come out in support of the Peoples' Port and will be balloting their members with the same question as the town referendum. They are also in contact with other unions with members working in the port or on the ships, Border Agency etc., with a view to extending the ballot to all relevant workers.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Peter I am a lifelong member of that Union and this is the first I have heard of this it was only afew weeks ago that I was talking to them about keeping it a royal port,but I will email them in the morning to see if and why they have moved the goal posts.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Perhaps they have moved the goal posts and support as you did cos your daughter no longer works for them...
So fickle some people,,,
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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May-be tomorrows local papers will be dedicating the headlines to the referendum, so we'll see from there.
My sister received a sheet of paper about the Port-sale referendum, and asked me about it.
I told her that I'm not voting, as it is for the sale of Dover's Port in one form or another. She agreed that one cannot vote for that.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Many people in Dover who voted for Charlie believed his electoral promise that he would campaign in Government for Dover Port to remain a State asset.
Perhaps some think that people have forgotten this, which I doubt they have.
Keith Sansum1
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Apart from the many promises made by charlie alexander on the political side
and the unanswred questions
and the remaining concerns.
It looks like the supporters of the peoples port are already estimating a poor turnout/lack of support.
This had nothing no do with any concerns over the proposal, but more to do with lack or organisation.
Doubts over;
where to vote
what your voting for
will people even know theres a vote taking place
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Having worked at the docks for many years, I have made many friends, who still work there. I have spoken to a few of them this week, one, on the phone this morning and yes they are behind the PP.
When asked why? I got the same answer.
"Out of the TWO options, we would rather it go to Dover and not abroad"
Bearing in mind, they work there and know firsthand what goes on year after year, I then asked them, this question,
"Would you prefer to leave it as it is, a Trust Port, but instead of wasting money every year, plough that money into Dover?"
And they all preferred the THIRD option, with one proviso, change some of the management.
I know you are going to tell me there is no 3rd option, don't go repeating yourself, this is just informing you of their responce.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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The fatal flaw in the third option is that, until the Ports Act 1991 is repealed (unlikely) the other two options will lurk in the background and resurface every time the DHB management of the day feel like selling it off. Additionally the Trust port model under present management has been the kiss of death to job prospects in the docks, with more redundancies likely in the next few months.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Peter what you are saying is not true,the present management might go anyway if you get your way,they will go,if the port is sold off they will go, and if it stays as it is ,I can see the top members of the D,H.B,having not got their own way will want to go.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Excuse me Vic, what is untrue about that?
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Peter,
I understand and thank you for your answers and points of view.
It has been said many times, that the third option is dead and I believe, that is what is swaying people to go for PP. I simply, do not share your thoughts on that.
In previous posts, It has been said that the third option is dead and should be forgotten for the sake of the PP but in your last post you state it is "unlikely", which is it?
I think efforts should be made to see if the third option is viable before going down the PP road.
I think telling people it is a none starter is misleading and a mistake.
If it was pursued and ultimately proved not to be viable, then I would wholeheartedly back PP.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Some good points gary c
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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You have misunderstood me Gary. My point was that the repeal of the Ports Act is unlikely. Under that legislation all trust ports remain in play. Therefore neither the status quo nor the DHB privatisation settles the status of the port once and for all.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the last government and this new one just want some money, they see no benefit in dover remaining as a trust port.
hence the choice of only two options in next weeks referendum.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Howard.
Is that a fact or just your opinion?
If it is fact, what is your proof?
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Gary the last government wanted the cash (in spite of privatisation being against labour principles) and the present government both wants the cash and sees such assets being centrally owned as being just wrong ideologically. So at least the present government are being true to their basic principles.
Interesting though, that the unions, who have been sitting on the fence until now, have come out strongly in favour of the Peoples Port.
Ville et portus populi Dubris floreat.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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PETER
The union(unite)whom you usually despise have probably tried to support the best of a bad deal, thats not that they support the ;peoples port, but as theres to be only 2 options, its the best of a bad deal
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Keith:
1. Where did you get the idea that I despise the unions?
2. Read the union's press release, they were admittedly originally sceptical (presumably because they regarded it as a Tory Trick) but their membership are now wholeheartedly in favour as they now realise that politics is not involved except to the extent that political buttons have to be pressed in order to get things done. And we have the necessary people who know where the buttons are.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson