Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Vic you made a right fool of yourself at the meeting and behaved like an egotistical child. It is clear that you have great difficulty understanding the issues, the concept of what the Peoples Port is and the financial matters. Fortunately talking to people afterwards it seems that most do have the capacity to grasp these things.
Keith Sansum1
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baz;
didnt get time to say hello
there were a number of concerns on future staffing, pensions deficit to name but a few that havn't been mentioned
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
is there any need to get personal?
vic asked questions that most of us ordinary people want answers to, nothing wrong with that.
there are too many issues that are being glossed over for many people's liking.
incidentally where was chas tonight, not on the stage.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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We will see in the years to come who was right and who was not. I will still carry on as I am. I had no difficulty in understanding the issues. I only see what is in Black and white and not colours.this way could within a very few years bankrupt the port,just hope it does not take Dover with it. I will still stand up and try and put over what I am thinking till I drop.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I could explain the regulations for dealing with the pension deficit but will refrain from doing so here.
Of course there will be issues unanswered but is most important is the bigger picture. The ownership structure, that is now crystal clear, the financial structure is also clear as is the basis of valuation. Of course Keith a lot of existing management will remain and some will have to go. Seems clear to me.
As I said it is the big picture that is crucial not the minutae that can be worked on later.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I went to worship below the Light-Tower Church this evening, as I often do, so did not follow the meeting at the Town Hall. I read somewhere that 400 people turned out, including over half the Forum.
Interesting to read that the idea of a port levy was brought up. As Howard points out, this with the levy has become a KCC issue too. I hope it is introduced very soon, as every day, about 8000 trucks ant many thousands of cars get through without paying a dyme on levies.
Will the referendum go ahead? Any more precise information welcome!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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barryw
I don't share your view, but do hope the proposal does the business.
A number of issues remain.
I feel vic has the passion and did like many others ask sensible questions in a very controlled manner.
I do not share vics outburst at the end, and if anything again damaged him as this was the wrong audience for such an outburst.
probably taking tonights meeting apart, vic prob damaged himself politically with the outburst.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I thought only residents of Dover Town would be invited to speak up at the Town Hall!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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just voting alex, others could speak.
when you went in it was like a polling station.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Keith you are confusing board with management. The executive directors are the link between the two and sit both on the board and the management committees. They are the ones who may find their positions untenable under a new regime, the present board will of course be dissolved if the Peoples Port goes ahead. It would be unlikely that members of the board would remain but there is no reason to get rid of perfectly good senior managers.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Alexander, the referendum will go ahead. I was in the front row so could not easily see how many voting cards were held up but the town clerk reckoned that well over 200 voting cards were raised for the vote in favour of the motion. Only ten required in favour for it to happen. As many of the 400 were non-voters that represents a good majority.
KCC's proposed 'wheel tax' would only benefit Dover to the same extent as it would benefit any other town in Kent.
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Ross Miller
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As Peter says there is a need for good senior managers with day to day operational experience of the Port - no sensible incoming owner would look to get rid of them.
It is good to see a large turnout, unfortunately I did not get away from work until 18:40 and just made the 19:12 from St Pancras so missed the meeting, it is also good to see that the majority felt a referendum was the right move
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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It seems a full complement turned out to vote in favour then. I tried googling: Dover Port Charlie Elphicke, to learn more about the p/p plans, and ended up on Dover Forum.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Charlie was sitting in the front row between my wife and Dan Donnelly of the Dover TUC. He stood and took a question referred to him by the chair at one point. I am surprised you did not notice him Howard, although if you were next to Vic anything is possible.
There was no need for Charlie to be on the panel. That would have given the appearance of it being a party-political issue, which it is not. The only two politicians on the panel were Labour Party members. (Sue Jones and Lord Glasman.)
Vic you do yourself no credit by disobeying the chair and refusing to follow the rules laid down by Parliament. Go to the naughty corner.
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Guest 676- Registered: 1 Jul 2008
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Howard
Rather confused re post 267. I could not see 50 forum members, infact I only counted 13, and most of them would have attended without this place.
Million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten.
Brian Dixon
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my genrael view of the meeting is that 400 or so people where mugged by an ill cocieved plan with no real answers to any question asked.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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STUART
I attended but being a forum member would not have made any difference as to whether i attended or not.
PETER
Will watch with interest as this all unfolds, as i say it has a long way to run,
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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It made me smile to see two DHB people there, I wonder what message they took back.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ROGER
There was a lotr more than two
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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They will be very happy with what went on. they even told them what bid they going to put in.
