Hurrah!!! Whose twitters? Tweets, whatever!!!!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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How sad to see such an ill-informed comment from John #258
If he was at the packed meeting, I estimated over 400 people there, he would know just how ill informed it is.
The Mayor is to be congratulated for her handling of the meeting. The speakers should also be thanked for the clarity of their presentations. The vote was overwhelmingly for the referendum, bearing in mind a significant number of those present were not entitled to vote and did not do so.
Vic made a total fool of himself at the end.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Been nice knowing you :)
That result is good news indeed. It would appear that people actually listened.
Thank you Paul aka Scotchie!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
i can agree with you on numbers present, that is where it ends.
i did not think that the mayor chaired it well at all, seemed obvious by the numbers present that most people would not get a chance to give their two pennorth meaning that passions would get roused.
there were quite a few interruptions with no sanctions.
i sat next to vic for the first hour, he asked a perfectly polite question and was waffled in reply, hardly surprising that he got a bit over passionate near the end.
in fact there were quite a few questions asked by the audience that the professionals on the stage fielded well but did not give answers that were clearly understood.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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another point, if you took away forum members present the audience would have been about 50 less.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Well I thought the presentations were very clear with few interuptions, the main one being Vic at the end.
Most people seemed to understand the basic principals and issues involved. Of course everyone would not get a say but a lot did.
Not sure why the forum being a presence should be a problem?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
i agree the presentations were very impressive, they would be being from consumate professionals that go on courses for such things.
vic asked a queston about interest rates that would be paid to investors, another chap that seemed clued up asked about levies being charged to foriegn trucks, each question was skilfully side stepped.
there were others but i didn't take notes.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The answers to both questions are simple - there is not yet a definate answer.
The answer Vic would like to get to the first one will depend on the market rates at the time the financing is sought. he did answer it as directly as he could. he said that the Port offer a secured long term cashflow that would be attractive on the bond markets to those looking for security. The means the interest rates paid will be at the low end of the spectrum as an investment grade opportunity. This would be attactive to insurance companies who will need to secure low risk income sources. I have no doubt that the finance man does have an idea of what it would be in the current market but commercially would be wise to say nothing.
As for the trucks - we are a long way from the stage where such matters would be decided by the Managment Board and therefore is unanswerable.
Keith Sansum1
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BAZ;
To be fair the turn out was good and there were a number of questions raised.
I have to admit that many questions went unanswered or partly answered.
Yes the audience would support no to sell off of port, in the main anyway,
Although VIC got out of his pram at the end, he did ask a reasnable uestion at the start, which was only partly answered.
I do support the concept of a people run port, but i'm afraid tonight didn't help that much, and those niggling questions remain.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Read my post above Keith #271 - I have said why certain questions have no answer as yet. They can only give answers to the points to which there are answers to give or are not commercially sensitive.
Overall they handled the questions very well indeed and they did directly answer many, many points.
Jan Higgins
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John #258 , there are a lot of millionaires in this country that might want to invest, I would if I won the lottery.
I am glad I did not bother to go, sounds like it was a typical public meeting, a complete madhouse and full of hot air.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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We could like tonights meeting go on all night, but i wont, those questions and others will just have to remain unanswered, shame if your going to go for a referendum then make sure for a good turn out and that you are to win by a big majority.
This has a long way to run
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
re post 273
vic asked what the current rate of interest was, not any future variations.
the matter of a levy on trucks is a k.c.c. issue as said by mr foley.
keith has asked questions that all of us plebs want an answer to.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I will add my part in this later on, I have been up from about 0230this morning,and YES I did get up ,did I leave the meeting .no I did not. we were told that members of the Public could have two mins talk just before the vote that did not happen.The Presentations from the top table were rubbish And the D.H.B sitting just in front of me must be thinking well if that is the best they can do we have no worrys,and they would be thinking right,
They also went on to say that the port is worth only £200and 70 million and they would also find £50 million up front for the town, We have in the pass been told that the DHB will sell the port for no less than £400million and that will come in one hit with no hold ups and on the day of the sell they will hand over to a Dover Trust £5million+, I have no wish to see the port go to any buyer,I will add to this in the morning.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Why bother Vic, I think we all know how you feel you have told us often enough.
I am sure the port will be valued independently. When trying to sell, a seller always overvalue their property, the DHB is no different.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Us plebs as you call us howard do need those answers, I for one as i say love the socialist type idea of a peoples port.
that said, without the answers at this time i have reservations about this proposal.
Was rather strange that the panel and all present appeared to agree the DHB wasn't fit to govern, yet a direct question asked about present DHB board members where the answer came back that under the peoples port proposals some of these board members could be re employed???
So the doubts remain,
on another note;
nice to briefly see
jan t, paulb, brian terry n,
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Vic you made a right fool of yourself at the meeting and behaved like an egotistical child. It is clear that you have great difficulty understanding the issues, the concept of what the Peoples Port is and the financial matters. Fortunately talking to people afterwards it seems that most do have the capacity to grasp these things.
