Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Gary C - I was not particularly referring to you - in fact not at all, but if the cap fits...
Peter & Chris (in few and many words) have summarised the position as it is today; namely Dr Goldfield wants to complete what he was put in to do, which was to prepare the port for privatisation (slash costs) and sell it off, the Peoples Port team recognising that a sale was on the cards sought and obtained time to put a different approach on the table.
There are only 2 options being considered
HMG is NOT interested in any other alternatives as it DOES NOT put money in their coffers
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Wrong there are 3 not two options .
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Is the 3rd option one that HMG are genuinely considering or is it just wishful thinking on your part Vic?
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Ross, the Secretary of State for Transport is considering the representations that have been sent in on the issue under the public consultation possibility which was given by the Government.
It is wrong to try to mislead people into beleving that this is not so, and it is not in line with democratic public consultation.
Please may I ask you when this will end with continuously trying to tread out the democratic possibility that Parliament gave us to express our thoughts and proposals by way of representation, and instead make statements that do not come from the Government such as: there are only to options...DHB's plan or Charlie's.
Only an official voice speaking officially on behalf of the Government could make such a statement.
I am confused about why there is such opposition to a referendum. It is a simple referendum, and an opportunity to discuss realistic - realistic, mind you - options. I think we would all agree that it would be foolish to set ourselves up to fail, and an open forum for discussion and a vote seems really rather helpful.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Closed minds is the answer Bern. They will be satisfied only with the status quo regardless of any facts and they will carry on peddling rubbish in the face of being told the truth. Democracy is just something to be invoked in a manner that they think provides them with ammunition to stop change otherwise it is a mere inconvenience.
Sad but true.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Berry you wrong,its is because we have open miinds and are not just looking at one option but all 3 of them,it is not rubbish we are pedding as you put it,,alot of us do niot agree with the MPs plan it is not a safe one nor is the DHB plan a safe one the only safe one is to keep it as it is a Royal Charter port,The Charter might need updating so to give the Town more say and funding, but it would be safe.
What you are saying is just not true.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You are ignoring the facts of the situation and the facts of the PP project as pointed out to you Vic. The Port as it is now does no good for Dover at all and if you want Dover to change and improve we must start with the Port, potentially our greatest asset. Nothing at all in life is safe and the only certainty with the present set up is continued decline for Dover.
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Just to add to the debate there is a sum of £1.3billion from the sale of Trust Ports identified within the government's disposal of assets policy documents.
This is carried forward from the previous government & is part of the proposals for the elimination of the public debt.
It won't go away whichever scheme is ultimately decided upon.
All the three poltical parties at national level appear at one on the disposals, it only appears the methodology is the only issue in question.
It is not a question of whether it will happen only when,how & by whom.
Watty
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Wrong selling the port or hand it over to a plan both ways could not only see the town in decline but the port to , You are amoney person that is your job and and this time you are saying to take out a £200million+mortgage,how much are the repayments going to be per year and how many years will that last, as I said time and time again selling the port or your way could Bankrupt not only the port but we could see the Town having to pay out to keep the port going,not the port helping the town.In your own words nothing is safe at this time,But the port is safe as it is.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Vic - you would never make a businessman.
If we all had your attitude we would still be living in the stone age.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Barry is that the best you can come up with,not good for a BUSINESSMAN.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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i feel certain that the secretary of state has already reached a decision rendering any referendum defunct.
anyone who is intending to go along tomorrow and vote will have to bring along proof of residence.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
I always remember my husband saying years ago that DHB should go as they did nothing for the town because all their profits HAD to be ploughed back into the port.
I tend to agree with you Howard and think it has most likely decided on but who knows, some on here will keep rambling on until the decision is announced.
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I met the decision Minister ,Theresa Villiers in passing at a Pfizer Task Force meeting, 2 weeks ago.
I impressed on her the need for speedy resolution to this matter [whatever the outcome] as the indecision was sterilising Dover's development.
She said at that stage she did not have all the information needed to make a decision.
Watty
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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She's obviously not consulted Vic then.....
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Yes Paul, the last Government wanted to sell of the Port and the present one does too. You wrote and said many things condemning Labour for wanting to sell off the Port and said they should be stopped and I agreed with you.
Now with this lot in, you say it is a done deal and we should accept it and find another way forward.
That is what I disagree with.It was wrong for Labour to want to sell our Port Trusts and it is wrong to sell them now. This Government has the public debt well covered and that should not be given as a reason to sell off our Port Trusts.
T2 was given as the reason for going private, to raise the cash to implement it. T2, in my opinion, for obvious reasons, is no longer viable, relieving DHB of having to fund T2.
Which brings us back to status quo, a money making port that could change its policies to accommodate Dover/Deal financially, if the same effort of pressure was put on them, as is being put forward for PP project, that could change.
I most certainly do not want to see the Port sold off to a foreign company, so if the PP is what everyone wants and is established, then I wish its creators and recipients the best of luck and truly hope it is successful. I will either be one of the ones missing out or sometime in the future I will be one of the ones saying I told you so.
I am sticking to my opinion that pressure should be brought upon the Trust to channel more finance towards Dover/Deal, before going for other options.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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ms villiers must be a slow reader, she had the proposals from bob and chas at the end of last year, november i believe.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I believe it is the officials in her department who are foot-dragging.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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Gary if you are referring to me I have made no comment on this either with your government or this, other than the District Council has a policy line which it is following.
As for not redeeming debt by changing policy well frankly you must want another frontline cut to compensate for the loss of £1.3 billion.
That does not sound like you.
Watty