Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The way you are talking Barry ,it sounds like you have given up.As A old boxer I just keep going and going on forward never look back just keep going forward.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Given up? What a strange thing to say, wishful thinking on your part perhaps Vic.
You must hate Dover to want to prevent the one thing dramatic enough to pull it out of the doldrums.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I agree that the management/ownership of the Port of Dover cannot continue as it is, but not sure about it being the only thing to bring it out of the doldrums.
It's the management of the Town and moving it forward, even with what we currently have, that will help move it out of the doldrums.
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Roger - That has been said for generations, each new generation of politician says that and Dover's decline has continued. There must be a dramatic change and only the People's Port can provide that along with the resources.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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We hope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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It doesn't need politicians Barry, in fact the only part Councils should play is financially supporting such bodies.
The dramatic change will come with the DTIZ and other major regeneration projects, but even these and of course money from the Peoples Port won't help unless the current town centre and the shops are supported.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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bob's community port also offers large wads of used fivers to be spent on the town but only goes for a limited period.
vic, alex and ed want to keep the status quo but that seems to offer nothing to the town.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Roger the only thing councils CAN'T do is give financial support, they just don't have the resources. What they can do is keep open various channels to organisations who do have funding available and help developers get together with those organisations.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That's not actually true Peter - not at the level I am/was, talking about. With the various budgets that each Council have, there would have/could have been one or two where small amounts of funding could have been taken from.
Sadly, with the financial contraints on DDC, it is admittedly unlikely.
Roger
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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This is just so depressing - I mean it really is - every thread vaguely connected with developing Dover ends up with the same people fundamentally saying the same things, dont any of you have a different tune to play?
I mean there are the 2 ostriches banging on about keep the Charter, one of you essentially playing Yosser Hughes, a fair few of you telling us all that your way and only yours is the way forward etc, etc.
Peter and his fellow Peoples Port chaps at least have a clear plan for what they want to do if they are successful and how they propose to help the town help itself move forward.
Dover suffers from 4 things as far as I can tell
1. Too few middle class families to make an effective difference to community & voluntary activities - whether you like it or not it is generally this socio-economic group that has the time, money, intellect and desire to make a difference
2. The demise of manufacturing during the late 70's through the mid 80's recession ripped jobs out of the town and replaced it with a perennial unemployment problem that degrades both those in that situation and the town itself
3. An Officer lead council that patently does not want to change - as change is scary and might mean they actually have to really do something for the town
4. Too many people with a "Cant Do" attitude, which frankly just encourages the council officers to do nothing and the political classes to bicker endlessly
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Well,Well,The anti-Vic Matcham are out in force tonight. The Royal charter is the only way the port will remain in safe hands,The state of the town is not down to the port,but councils both RED and blue over many years,and yes also the lost mines, Paper mill,DEW,and so on.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Vic, my friend, you are beginning to sound like an old cracked 78 record. If you think the port is in safe hands right now you are mistaken.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Excellent post Ross, your first sentence sums up the situation perfectly.
I am sorry to have to say this Vic,
, you do leave yourself open to anti Vic posts when you try to turn so many threads into something about you.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Well time will tell as it has done in the pass,it is not about me ,it is about the town.
,The anti-Vic Matcham are out in force tonight
Well time will tell as it has done in the pass,it is not about me ,it is about the town.
Mr Matcham.you must have the skin of a Rhino and the mental capacity of an amoeba....
but you are correct in one mantra you keep repeating.....it is not about you....
It is about vitality, jobs, new injections of hope into this combination of Town/Port.
There are so many negative old farts, who have been in a good position to do something..........and have given up....just to while away their time on this or that commitee, but actually doing nothing, but saying they are wonderful etc. etc. Or sold themselves....quite happy to listen to people saying Dover is a Dump. Agreeing with your other Mantra......It will never happen....
Ross Miller has hit the button.....New employment, ideas, skills have been refused......The Port is at its lowest ebb ever....people are saying it is the worst board and Chief Executive Dover Port has ever had....
Don't tell me this will not happen, Mr Matcham, because you insult the Dover People who want full employment, want change, want things to work in fairness...you only had to attend, and listen at the Open Town Hall Meetings....
I know you were there, but you were not listening...and people were fed up then with you..
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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rather an unfortunate post mr norman, maybe you are forgetting that we are a members club?
anyone is welcome to criticise another post but personal attacks are not acceptable.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Do not forget the two meetings tomorrow night I will be at both, and Because how you all feel about Dover you all will be there come over and have your say to me and call me all those names in person,and get up and have your say, to all the public and the press if they are there.
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Yes Ross a feasible list of points-but whether we like it or not this is this most important issue to effect Dover for decades past and to come. Our tune should not change until the power of the port is vested with the people. This is a once in a generation opportunity to make a real difference to life in Dover, using a principle that could sweep across the country-a principle of true localism . This is not a Utopian view but one of practical socialism,recovery and the avoidance of anarchy.(nothing to do with the Labour or ANY political party) When he announced his enthusiasm for 'Big Society' the current Prime Minister had no idea what he was unleashing-but I suspect he will try and take the ultimate credit for it, even though he has created an animal which will eventually consume him. There will always be bickering because you are dealing with humanity-but localism is the key to recalibrating the UK economy in the face of the world's money crisis. You don't need just the middle class to lead the reform-there are plenty of working class heroes out there and quite a number of upper class types who of course have the spare cash to keep it all going. They are going to have get along with each other.
Only the Brits with their famous island mentality can pull this quiet revolution off - the Dover Peoples Port will be the shining showcase example for the rest of the country to follow.
As for the rest of the EU and the world, they are either too highly strung, too greedy, playing catch up or just plain nasty. There's no point in trying to get them to join in-forget'em- unless they volunteer!
Never give up...
I agreee with Ross , it gets depressing and repetative to just rehash old arguements/ achievements / attendances etc. I dont think that good done for the town is directly related to parts of meetings attended or not !
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Richard I agree that this is an important opportunity that we must strive to take advantage of, it may even possibly be pivotal in the future direction and prosperity of the town.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi