howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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interesting stuff all round, at the outset i said that the government had a heaven sent opportunity to curry favour with the public by making a bold move giving us "the people's port" and giving two fingers to any "johnny foreigner" that might have designs on the port.
they haven't done it even now with their problems over the budget, u turns and forthcoming elections
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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we think that d.h.b. are holding back with their enhanced proposals until the ferry companies dispute is resolved in about a years time.
the governmnent is desparate for dosh due to some sort of deficit problem and would have to take the highest offer going.
this leads me to the conclusion that a decision will be reached within a year of the next general election
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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what deficit problem is that howard,there was me thinking that the goverment was loaded.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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The Cabinet are.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
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Chris & I were at the same DHB meeting.
I think Chris has basis of statements correct with I believe a difference on privatisation timing.
Fact
The current & only process in play has been going on for two & a half years.
Fact
Until the DHB proposal has been decided on by Theresa Villiers no further options can be considered.
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DHB have an enhanced submission ready to go once the decision on Sec31 challenge [charges/fees to ferry operators] has been determined again by a Minister. The Minister already has the Inspectors recommendations. The difference I have with Chris on this one is that DHB could submit their updated proposals in May/June [expected decision time for Sec31] & the privatisation process, if approved, would start?conclude by Autumn 2013
Fact
Under the present process DHB would conduct the privatisation process [their scheme]& make the decision on a preferred bidder after consultation with government advisors-[Royal Bank of Canada].
Watty
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Fact
Under the Public Bodies Act the Secretary of State now has the power to over-ride the provisions of the Ports Act 1991 and conduct the sale of the port as the government thinks fit.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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this then begs the question "why have they not sold the port"?
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Weighing up the odds to see if it a vote winner??????????????????
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Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Thank you Paul. I think we can agree that, after Bob's amusing thoughts on why the time scale, the earliest decision could be May/June but there was the possibility of it dragging out until the Autumn. (now that's two threads we have agreed on - first Keith now Paul, what has happened to me?).
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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both plans could be vote winners jan, people's port/community port would both be good tabloid headlines.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Peter, nobody is arguing with you but first they have to dispose of the DHB proposal.
So the DHB option is the only one on the table.
Watty
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Justine can if she wishes, dispose of the DHB scheme at the stroke of a pen, using her powers under the Public Bodies Act.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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So what's new!
They could have disposed of the DHB scheme at any time.
Watty
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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So what is the Public Bodies Act?
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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A piece of legislation that has one section passing powers to dispose of assets.
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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so all this huff and puff is over nothing as the minister can make a decision if and when she pleases.
it just begs the question "why won't she put everyone out of their misery"?
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,888
Back to #308
, which team will go down best with the public.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Sense of humour!
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
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I've been saying that for two years Howard & have a paper trail of letters to Ministers saying just that.
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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looking from the cobbled together point of view the community port must be there preferred option.
more money up front and the british public would see the term "community port" and think "oh goodie".
