FFS. A good idea is being talked down for some envelopes?
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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55,000 addressed envelopes posted 2nd class post amounts to in excess of £17,000. This money is members money, not mine, not the board's. Effectively, if you have bought a membership share, it is your money. Until we are successful, we have limited resources and must make effective use of what we have and be accountable for how we spend our members money.
Post #237 - in a medium size village such as Eythorne it takes 6 volunteers 5 hours to deliver to every single house and that is when those volunteers do not have to travel from outside. When I covered Coombe valley and St Radigans with 5 volunteers it took us 4 hours to deliver to every house in that area. We were looking at a delivery to every house in the district within a limited time frame and our calculation was that we would need a couple of hundred volunteers putting in complete days in order to make the full drop and volunteers have a limited amount of time to give, especially as most volunteers already give significant portions of their time to other causes. We looked at resources, effective expenditure and timescale and the best value for money to ensure that all 55,000 were delivered within 10 days of the start of the campaign. We also wanted to ensure that it could be immediately seen that this was the DPPT application form.... a plain brown envelope (unaddressed) posted to the house by a volunteer would, I'm afraid, be far more likely to find its way to the bin unopened.
This campaign is a general and first call for everyone across the district to purchase a membership share, resources have been targeted at it accordingly. If we were doing a more targeted or qualified call, then resources used and presentation would be different. This will become apparent as the Share Certificates are delivered.
Post #227....Getting Government policy changed, creating a favourable legislative climate, demonstrating fundability and sustainability over the long term for a proposal, demonstrating widespread and significant support for a proposal, building a consensus of opinion etc. takes rather more than a brown envelope and a stamp for a letter to the Department for Transport I'm afraid.
Martin, DPPT will own the port, not necessarily run it. Owners of SMEs generally run them as well, owners of very large corporations and multi million pound ports more often than not hire competent management and executives to run the business...Do you see members of the Ontario Teachers Pension Fund running the HS1 line? DPPT will be owned by its members. DPPT members are from the communities of Dover, Deal, Sandwich and the surrounding villages. DPPT will be fully representative of a wide cross section of the communities most affected by the port's operation and development and those communities, through DPPT will own the port. The port will be run by professionals.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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thanks for that detailed and reasoned response neil, what was the cost of postage without the envelopes?
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Printing and postage for 55000 was just over £3500
A lovely summary, thank you. And much better than a FFS any time! Apologies.
Neil - I am sure this has been answered before, but what can be used instead of a utility bill as proof of address?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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quite a difference in costs will be interesting to see the take up rate.
one of our members has sent of for 3 - family members, others will not see the leaflet at all.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Hi Bern, we are required to conduct reasonable checks to ensure that applicants are eligible. I am certain that anything 'official' with your address on it or, in case someone has everything online, perhaps a print from the billing screen that shows your address.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Neil the Ontario Teachers pension fund have money in their own right and employ people to run HS1, am I right in saying the only money the DPPT will have will be from the £10 shares of the people of Dover and loans from the bank?
Audere est facere.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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The Ontario Teachers Pension Fund has money from its members and from the profits of the corporations that it has shareholdings in. They also have loans with which they leverage their investments. They employ professionals to run the enterprises that they own and these professionals are paid from the operational income of those enterprises. For DPPT there will be monies from members, loans and bonds and, in the same way, the employees running the port will be paid out of the port's revenue.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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There seems to be a recent surge in research on the Web about the DPPT, my online article: Dover People's Port Trust, has received a much higher proportion of views over the past days.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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have you a link for it alex?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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No, Howard, 'cause I can't operate Paul's linking system
But if you google: Dover people's port trust, the article will come up on the first page, about half way down. It's on the Celtic Britannia website.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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A rather shallow, facile and inaccurate article worthy of the Daily Mail at best.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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come on peter be blunt about if you have to, don't sit on the fence.
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I thought it was inaccurate, prejudiced and frankly at times completely and utterly wrong - but hey what do I know?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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does anyone know how many people sent their tenner and signed up?
i would have thought that anyone who would have done would have done so by now.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Well over a thousand so far, and still coming in every day. If anyone wants to join but doesn't have a form, bring proof of residence or work in Dover district down to Blakes and I can sign you up. Proof of residence needs to be a recent utility bill or council tax demand. Proof of work can be an employee ID or a letter from the boss. The latter might be awkward for DHB staff!
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Hi Howard, they are still coming in. Less per day now than the initial swathe of applications, but still coming. I don't keep a daily tab on it at the moment, but the membership share certificates are starting to be delivered now as well. Very pleased with the response so far and its not as if we have a limited period within which we are offering membership, so we'll keep growing. We don't have thousands and thousands of members so far, I didn't expect to, we are after all offering a £10 share of an organisation that has not yet achieved its main objective. Yet still, around 1% of the population of the entire District has made the commitment so far and that grows daily and weekly.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Peter, over a thousand could be between 1001 and 1,999. Makes a big difference, 100% indeed. Any clearer details?
