Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Back to the letter: The Government has never considered DPPT's offer, and told DPPT so in November 2010.
DPPT only made representations as far as the Department for Transport are concerned, as well as writing on related issues.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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"DPPT has not submitted any further offers for the port since November 2010,"
Copied and pasted from the DfT letter, Howard.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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containers are for deep sea shipping and rail will not make a comeback, roll on roll off will always be king on the channel.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I did not put rail but a few years ago we were working in a big container port not far way but the trains were pulling in container would be lowwed on the wagon moved up ready to take the next one and this is it there were over 30wagons in one hit,that is 30hgv loads at one time it does not need any thinking that is the way it will all go in a few years.then you will see the cost of fuel come down because their will not be the market for it.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Perhaps, Howard, if you say so!
The Department for Transport also wrote word for word:
"The Government was not therefore in a position to consider direct offers for the port"
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Well done, Vic. You are right. Rail will be a future option.
Not that this is in the letter from the DfT that came today, though.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that has confused me further alex, neil has made it perfectly clear on here that representations have been and are being made on a regular basis.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Anyway, as we can see, the Government has never been in a position to consider any of the offers that DPPT made (see post 165). No matter how much they spoke with ministers, lords and private banking managers.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Howard, the representations were made during the Public Consultation.
Those of DPPT were as much representations as those from any other person, body, organisation, entity or whatever.
I wrote this so many times in the past.
DfT have only confirmed everything I ever wrote on this fact.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Actually, to correct my above post (168 "the Government has never been in a position to consider any of the offers that DPPT made") DPPT made only one offer to the Government:
"As you may know, DPPT submitted an offer to the Government to purchase the port of Dover in November 2010."
And one offer only! It was rejected.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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"However, in response the Minister explained to DPPT that the Port of Dover was not an asset that belongs to the Government - it was (and remains) owned and operated by Dover Harbour Board (DHB)."
So the DPPT were told by the Minister that the offer was rejected, it could not even be taken into consideration. The Minister told them so in November 2010. But did DPPT ever tell the Constituency this?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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"The Government was not therefore in a position to consider direct offers for the port."
Bang!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I am working only what I see I have not wrote or got any letters of late about what I have wrote.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Alexander, never disagreed with you that DPPT made representations that were considered in the same way as everyone else's representations. You were the one that decided that what I wrote was suggesting that you did not count and that the DPPT was the only one that did. Read back through the threads properly and you will see that I have always promoted the DPPT proposals as being what I believe to be the best way forward, never the only way. You will also see that I disagreed with much of what you were putting forwards and that I gave reasons for my disagreement founded on considerable knowledge and experience in the sector.
DPPT offer, as I have said before and time and time again, has never been rejected by Government in general or by the DfT in particular. As I have said time and time again, they were unable to consider it properly until the DHB proposals had been dealt with. Now that the DHB proposals have been dealt with the DPPT is bringing its proposals up to date with all the latest numbers and projections so that the offer can be made again unencumbered by the restrictions imposed on the DfT by consideration of DHB's transfer request.
With reference to one of your above posts Alexander - yes, it was made known at the time and you will note that in the final run-up to the rejection of the DHB bid, I said sooooooo many many times that DPPT could not proceed with the alternative that we offered until the DHB proposals were dealt with by the DfT.
You'll understand, I am sure, if I take not one blind bit of notice of you Alexander and continue with the meetings that we have planned so that Dover obtains the benefits of ownership through communitisation of the port.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Neil, the DPPT offer was never even considered, and now that the DHB bid has been rejected, the Government remains in the same position, namely that the Port will not be privatised.
DHB alone can make any decisions on available options, not the Government.
The Port is not a Government asset. It is owned and run by DHB.
There is nothing that you can do, Neil, to make decisions over the Port, or over Community regeneration stemming from the Port. And if what you claim concerning on-going talks with these, those and the others were true, you would be just doing something that the Government does not recognise.
You do not have any on-going talks with the Government, Neil. The Government is not talking with you on the future of Dover's Port. The letters from the DfT are as clear as clear can be.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Alexander - As the DPPT IS continuing the conversation with Government and does have meetings booked and agreed, I will ignore your somewhat libellous insinuation. You will, I am sure, enjoy the opportunity to make further representations when the time comes.
I will not be making the decisions, I only promote communitisation as the best way forward for the port and for Dover and will continue to do so. The decisions will be made by Government Ministers who have all the powers and authority that they require to instruct the DHB if they fail to cooperate.
SWWood- Location: Dover
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Alexander D wrote:
DHB alone can make any decisions on available options, not the Government.
The Port is not a Government asset. It is owned and run by DHB.
If that were true, why have DHB spent so long seeking permission from the government to privatise? If they can do as they wish, why not go ahead and do it? Unless, of course, you are wrong.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
the government have never said that port would not be privatised the letter of the 2oth december 2012 clearly stated that they were awaiting another bid from d.h.b.
what is not clear is the issue of money for regeneration, that letter and the one you have had contradict each other.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Empty vessels, Neil.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Come on Alex, copy and paste the whole letter and not just your selected interpretations so we can all make up our own minds.