Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I see Mr Wiggins does not talk about the container trade that is going to end the main trade of the great port of Dover in the next few years,and if his plans had been taken up Dover would have been bust in ten years owing millions of pounds.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i don't see your point peterl all of us has the right to ask questions about this important issue without being called an empty vessel.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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I know Peter. I've got to go to band practice now, I'll wave on the way past.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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#181 Where are they going to get the cars and passengers into and out of the containers?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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They are only a small part of the trade of the port and if that was the only trade we would only be seeing 3 ships on this run per day not hour with few ex in the summer weeks only
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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roll on /roll off is the only viable option on the channel, everything moving today is time sensitive to save on warehousing costs. door to door on trucks is what is required.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Asking questions is fine Howard, virtually calling another forumite a liar is not.
Mr Vic, as the containerised cargo business is my bread and butter I think I might know a thing or two more about the way in which it is developing than most. My company deals with container handling and stowage on a fleet of 10 container vessels with an average of two port calls across the globe every day and the exchange of approx 2500 containers at each of those port calls. My work in Egypt at the moment is to plan container handling facilities and a phased development plan connecting Alexandria through Cairo to Southern Europe in a paper free logistics corridor.
Dover needs to be prepared for changing trade patterns why do you think I have criticised the 30yr Masterplan and said that it is in need of major review? But passengers, cars and time sensitive freight will continue to move by the fastest cost effective means commensurate with available capacity.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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fuel costs will play a very big part in all this and again I am right with what i have put.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Howard, I am not aware that the Decision Minister wrote in the letter 20th December 2012 that the DfT were awaiting another privatisation bid from DHB.
Can you show me the passage where that is written?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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As far as Community regeneration goes, Howard, I wrote word for word from the DfT letter that came to me last week, on post 39 of this thread:
"The proposal from Dover Harbour Board included the establishment of a community trust should the transfer scheme be implemented. As the Minister rejected the transfer scheme, this means that ALL the features associated with the transfer scheme, including the community trust, will not proceed either".
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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And in post 112 I wrote word for word from the same DfT letter:
"In your letter to the Prime Minister, you also asked about regeneration to the Town of Dover; this is mainly a matter for Dover District Council and perhaps Kent County Council."
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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your wish is my command alex, the last line here says it.
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-port-of-doverhoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that bears out the contradiction i refer to in 178.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Stuart, @post 177, DHB cannot do as they wish, please try reading what I have written, and what the DfT have written.
DHB own and run the Port, but to privatise it, they would have to ask permission to the DfT (Government).
This is, because the DHB Charter does not allow privatisation of the Port.
The DHB bid was rejected by the Government.
What DHB can do, is to do that what is allowed in the DHB charter, and that means considering all available options.
Honestly, Stuart, I thought you would have grasped this some three years ago!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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calm down alex, we don't want any further personal stuff on this issue.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Where are my pills.
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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In the right hand drawer of the kitchen cupboard...
Never give up...
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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So where, then, Howard, does the Decision Minister's letter state that the DfT are awaiting another privatisation bid from DHB?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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This is what the DfT wrote today in their email on the issue of the Port:
"The Government's position on the future of Dover Harbour was set out by the Maritime Minister, Stephen Hammond MP, following his visit to Dover on 30 January 2013 when he said:
"Dover Harbour Board has a new chair and I'm pleased to see them tackling the issues at hand. Following the Minister of State's decision before Christmas not to approve the Dover Harbour Board's transfer scheme that would have allowed privatisation, it is now for the board to consider all the available options for the long term future of the port' This remains the Government's position. "
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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And there is also this:
"DPPT has not submitted any further offers for the port since November 2010."
And that offer, as noted, was not considered.