Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Vic, yes I posted that on the last thread, because of some toxic posts coming, that only served to take apart everything I ever mentioned, and consequently I found it pointless.
Further more, Vic, this is not a letter that has been sent out to 100 people.
You say you received one from the DfT recently, but have kept it all a great secret.
Mine relates directly to questions I asked, and is directed at me personally. Try reading my above posts, Vic, as I won't go on repeating myself in useless circles.
You could not have received the same reply, Vic, unless you were using my identity.
Quite plainly, The MP Charlie Elphicke owes everyone an explanation, and I am wondering if DPPT have informed their members, such as Jan.
The explanations from the DfT are official, and the Prime Minister's Office has clearly stated that the DfT alone can give the final explanations on the Port and local regeneration, and NO-ONE ELSE!
This thread will put an end to all theories on the Port of Dover and local regeneration deriving from the Port, including all conspiracy theories that declare that DHB will keep trying to privatise the Port every 5 years.
Dover and District will find out the facts, I'll see to this personally, but first I am awaiting DPPT to make their own official statement, and Charlie Elphicke has only one statement to make.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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there have been rumours flying around over the last week that the neil port has been given the bums rush but could all be chinese whispers, best to wait for an official statement.
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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Dover's regeneration is decided by the Department for Transport, I've heard it all now !!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul, so you made a good point there!
The Department for Transport ought to know about local regeneration for Dover and District stemming from the Port, as this was an essential part of the Public Consultation.
As you all know, I have always maintained that only the councils can decide on local regeneration; DPPT have always claimed that it would be wasted money if a Port income ever went to the local councils.
The DfT have proved me correct, stating that Dover District Council and perhaps Kent County Council are responsible for regeneration here.
So where is now DPPT? They always opposed my representations, never supported them, and always argued that DPPT should decide on what money from a Port revenue be spent on regeneration locally.
The DfT have put a final line under this theory, supporting my point that it is the councils' prerogative.
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Why not just post the letter on this thread, the suspense is making me live. As a confidente of the Prime Minister and personal advisor to KCC-I'm sure you are able to make that move Alex.
Never give up...
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:everyone gets letters from the government except me which quite frankly makes me feel left out. rest assured that at any time in the future they write to me i will let everyone on the forum know.
I had a letter from the Government (DWP) this morning but I am not going to tell any of you what it said until I have digested what it says.
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Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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Alexander D wrote:
The DfT have proved me correct, stating that Dover District Council and perhaps Kent County Council are responsible for regeneration here.
I'm now rather upset that the DfT have rejected your port tolls suggestion and now cannot aid the regeneration of the Western Heights as it is all up to DDC and KCC to fund
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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can we desist with alex baiting please?
it doesn't show any of us in a good light, besides blood sports are now banned.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Its so boring sorry even for me it is very boring,but the thing is they make my post look great
so please keep them coming.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Howard you are a spoilsport, this is the best light hearted thread we have had on here for ages.
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Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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Vic Matcham wrote:Its so boring sorry even for me it is very boring,but the thing is they make my post look great
so please keep them coming.
The "I have nothing to say" are your favourite threads Vic
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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If only Alex could say the same!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Sorry but I have nothing to say at this time.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Will he, won't he, the suspense of it all
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The reason why I am not posting everything together is because I cannot release a final statement on DPPT without the decency of leaving it to DPPT to do this.
One of their statements has always been that local regeneration from the Port would be decided and funded by the Dover People's Port Trust, and the DfT have explained otherwise, as mentioned above in post 24.
Another being, DPPT have recently said they are still consulting with ministers, lords and the private finance sector.
The Prime Minister's Office informed me that only the DfT can give any response on the future of the Port of Dover and local regeneration. And this they have done.
It is up to MP Chalie Elphicke to stand up and tell the whole Constituency where he and DPPT stand now with the Department for Transport, and so out of respect for this, I shall withhold any personal statement for the time being.
This thread requires a statement from the MP, he should state that either the DPPT proposals have been accepted by the DfT, or rejected. There is no in-between!
The letter I have is from an official of the DfT, it is official, and it came in response to a letter of mine to the DfT and one almost identical to the Prime Minister.
There is no office other than the Department for Transport that can give an official reply on the future of the Port of Dover, as they have already consulted with the Government, and the PM has said that only the DfT can give official responses on decisions reached on the Port of Dover and regeneration in Town and District.
The DfT have plainly told me what the answers are. There is no room for DPPT to claim they are talking with ministers, lords and banking leaders. They must simply tell Dover and District the plain truth!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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And the plain truth being Alexander ? The DHB is back to where it was before the privatisation bid and will simply carry on as before, but with the possibility of being able to find new ways of (large-scale) funding; because of this, the DPPT stands for nothing now and has no place in Dover's future - is that what you've heard ?
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that is the rumour going around roger, nothing to substantiate it to my knowledge.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Roger, you will find that DPPT have never been object of the Public Consultation.
They participated in it. nothing more.
Everything the "People's Port" have suggested by way of Community regeneration is simply nothing.
"The proposal from Dover Harbour Board included the establishment of a community trust should the transfer scheme be implemented. As the Minister rejected the transfer scheme, this means that ALL the features associated with the transfer scheme, including the community trust, will not proceed either".
It is time that the MP Charlie Elphicke and DPPT showed a letter from the Department for Transport, dated post 21st December 2012, stating that their proposals have been accepted.
However, this would contradict the above statement in reference to Community regeneration.
That what DPPT offered on local regeneration was more or less identical to DHB's offer, copied almost to the letter, and had it been accepted, the Decision Minister would have accepted the DHB offer, not that of DPPT.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Alexander, has DPPT and/or Mr Elphicke received the same response as you? were they or any other consultee copied in on this letter? if not how can they respond to something they have not seen?
As for your assertion regarding then talking to the City. ministers etc. why exactly should they stop? Surely they wish to continue to try to change policy etc so will carry on with their lobbying of the relevant people. Frankly, for good or bad, this is how politics and business are conducted in the UK. Funnily enough, ministers can and do change their mind as do senior departmental officials.
As far as I can see DPPT have never asserted that they alone will decide on regeneration priorities in the district, that is absolutely the role of local government; however with the paucity of funding available to local government for regeneration, they have to rely generally on developers to provide the lions share of the funding requirements; a situation I do not see or hear you complaining about. DPPT are offering an alternative model to this funding source and also proposing an approach that will see them working with community groups etc to help them deliver all those little projects that rarely get assistance for local government.
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