Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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He He, we've been working on a press release and Neil has been overwhelmed by the meeja. Should see him and Chas on the local news anon.
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Judith Roberts- Registered: 15 May 2012
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Controversial I know but I believe strongly that any community spending should be in Dover. Dover town centre has been ruined by transport links to the port and Dover residents alone suffer the disruption, noise and dirt from the constant stream of lorries using the port. Deal, Sandwich and coalfields have already benefitted from regeneration projects and do not have the same degree of obvious deprivation we have in Dover.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Judith, this is something I see as a future bone of contention as DPPT membership and support is drawn from the whole district, not just Dover town. However if projects spawned in Dover generate jobs for people in the whole district, then the whole district will benefit. Dover is certainly more deprived than most other areas of the district but that may not always be the case in the future so this ought to be kept under review.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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agree judith, people living along snargate street and townwall st suffer the most, and when there are problems at the port aycliffe gets cut off from the world.
deal has just won high street of the year and sandwich has a delightful town centre.
i don't think there will be much spare dosh coming out of this, we will have to wait and see what the percentage of profit actually is.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Already not such a community thing, how soon money has its effect!
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Martin we are doing our best, please reserve your judgements for results not predictions.
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Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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I am not commenting on predictions just on the Dover only comments so soon after the announcement, was not aware there was a criteria to post on here?
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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No criteria other than general good manners, as far as I know, (and don't poke fun at the moderators.
) You're entitled to say anything you like, but I always find the best generalisations flow from a knowledge of the details. I don't have the details yet, so I'm sure you don't either. When I do, I shall share them with you all and perhaps comment further.
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Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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For me, the key part of today's ministerial announcement is the greater financial powers and flexibility being given to the port to develop for the future.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Kevin Charles wrote:For me, the key part of today's ministerial announcement is the greater financial powers and flexibility being given to the port to develop for the future.
Agree Kevin, but before anybody starts cheering lets establish how much money there is and who's signing the cheques.
I'm underwhelmed so far.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Sorry for the late posting. I've been snowed under and still have a business to run.
If we can ensure that the detail delivers as per the Minister's speech in full, then Dover and the wider area will be big winners.
The port reconstituted to have powers to access the private capital markets, community and workforce directors on the board and a regeneration fund suitably endowed at start up with an ongoing income from port operating profits controlled by the community directors. All sounds good and much (if not quite all) that DPPT has worked so hard to achieve.
There is now a huge amount of work to do to ensure that the delivery is true and real and that Dover wins in reality as well as in theory.
The method of delivery will be Harbour Revision Orders and it is the detail of these that we need to be deeply involved with in order to realise the aspirations, that we have all expressed, in full.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Well done Neil, I hope everybody appreciates the hard work you've put in.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Martin.
My point was that we are all in Dover District, like it or not.
I could reply to Judith with, what about the £1million Dover got for its town area, last year.
But its not about who's got what in the past, its about what happens in the future that matters.
Judith, Peter & Howard are all correct in saying that Dover bears the brunt of port traffic, is deprived etc. and Dover certainly deserves to be at the top of the list, when it comes to receiving money from this fund and rightly so.
But does Dover really want to segregate itself?
Peter is right when he says more jobs in Dover will benefit everyone and that we should wait for more information anyway.
But my bone of contention would be if all areas of the district are not included now.
Would Dover be happy if in the future they were left our of other funding because they were supported by this fund?
We will be more effective and successful if we all stick together.
If we remove any bones of contention now, we will all win.
Sorry my post crossed a few others.
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Neil has given a good general summary of the Minister's statement. There is still much detail to be agreed but if this can be dealt with maturity Dover district will be the winners. Narrow points & brinkmanship will both delay and have the potential to scupper what is potentially a scene changing opportunity. Well done to all concerned. The major points of consultation & the asks of the last five years by most contributing parties are contained in the broad announcement. This is an enabling announcement to bring the community & port together.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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everyone came across as upbeat when interviewed earlier but neil and watty refer to the harbour revision order which will have a big impact on the future of the port,.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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The devil is in the detail. Always is. Always will be.
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Brian Dixon
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howard,you forgot to mention aycliffe in post 264,which also suffers from the dock traffic.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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What do you mean they said and righty so no to the p/p port and so they will not get the port it will stay in the hands of the D.H.B. AND WILL STAY a Royal port . Mr Wiggins sir you and the Dover MP LOST you can word it how you like to make it look good for you but the facts are NO P/Port NEVER was going to go that way and never will it .'
You might get a seat on the D.H.B. but will be out voted if the major members disagree with you,
Good thing you did not put you house up now.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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gary
the million quid is spread over ten years and only applies to part of the town.
brian
please reread my post.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Howard.
I know that, sorry I am missing your point?
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