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- Keith Sansum1
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28 February 2013 16:09217989Getting back to the port.
For Dover's sake this needs to move on quickALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 28 February 2013 16:17218001another question is whether the neil port would continue to invest in people like the present incumbents.
http://www.dover.uk.com/news/2013/port-of-dover-receives-bronze-level-investing-in-people-award - Keith Sansum1
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28 February 2013 16:46218008Theres a few unanswered questions howard
most important though is, when will it all move on to the next stageALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 28 February 2013 17:19218012waste of time asking keith, only the movers and shakers know what is going on in the background, glad i don't work for the port at this time despite them being treated very well by the current management.
- 28 February 2013 21:27218029Neil writes:
"You know that it hasn't been announced yet. For now, I am just expressing a view that it will"
the DPPT bid has been rejected by the Prime Minister and the Government a few years back.
With co-founder of the "people's port" and Dover and Deal MP Charlie Elpchicke making xenophobic and eccentric and misinformed statements, people in Dover do not give any credence to this "people's port" thing.
It has long ago sunk. Get over it!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 28 February 2013 21:30218030It's really time to move on, the MP is at loggerheads with an important part of the local maritime sector operating at Dover's Port.
The Government will certainly not take that lightly.
The last thing they'd do is to give in to xenophobic diatribe.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 28 February 2013 21:58218031Howard, if you talk to a random sample of the Port's direct employees a rather different picture emerges than the one painted by Investors in People. If the DHB, despite the real state of the relationship with its employees, can be awarded the Bronze Award, then a management truly committed to its community and its workforce will easily exceed the Bronze level.
- 28 February 2013 22:12218032Paul Wells wrote:Oh yeh Alex doesn't answer direct questions to himself, he only demands them from others !!
So Alex where are your plans to regenerate Dover going now that 'your' (although you now say it was KCC's) idea port tolls have been rejected.....
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/doverpast - 28 February 2013 22:15218033BBC has reported the view of one of the ferry operators at Dover Port with regards to Dover and Deal MP Charlie Elpchicke:
"Your description of Eurotunnel's approach as 'unacceptable, unethical and irresponsible' leads me to believe that you.., have taken a rather narrow, ill-informed and ferry centric view of life across the Channel," Mr Gounon wrote.
"Stirring up xenophobic passion and creating ill-feeling towards one of the largest employers in Kent... has no place in a free market economy."
As a co-founder of DPPT, Charlie's interference with a ferry operator at the Port of Dover would be a dire warning to any minister or Department confronted with any future attempt of "the people's port" to make a new proposal, their former one having already been rejected.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 28 February 2013 22:24218035Alex-I'm afraid that DPPT is an unstoppable force, with the current port entity in full retreat and nursing fatal wounds- and you sniping and snapping at the heals of the local MP with your interpretation of events will not make any difference at all. The fact is that the people of Dover have given massive credence to DPPT-Get over it!Never give up...
- 28 February 2013 22:26218036i can assure members that employees are not happy to be moved from harbour house to a draughty portacabin in the eastern docks.
- 28 February 2013 22:26218037M. Gounon is not a ferry operator. He is the chief executive of Eurotunnel. Eurotunnel has bought the assets of SeaFrance with the primary aim of saturating the short sea route, and driving P&O and DFDS out of business. I am astonished that you choose to attach more credence to the words of a Frenchman with a large axe to grind than you do to those of us who are fighting to keep our port out of the hands of people like Gounon.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- 28 February 2013 22:29218038richard
the people of dover have no say in the decision making, ministers and mandarins do. - 28 February 2013 22:30218039howard mcsweeney1 wrote:richard
the people of dover have no say in the decision making, ministers and mandarins do.
Best not tell Alex that.. but then again they have rejected most of his ideas.... !!!
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/doverpast - 28 February 2013 22:34218040i feel sure that alex will be flattered by all the attention you show to him.
- 28 February 2013 22:40218043DPPT offer has NEVER been rejected by Government. DPPT is not making a new proposal, merely bringing all the numbers, bank support and stakeholder support letters up to date.
- 28 February 2013 22:44218044#775, buzzing flies receive the same treatment and have a similar contribution to make to the debate.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- 28 February 2013 22:52218045Peter, you say: "M. Gounon is not a ferry operator"
With this kind of stance from DPPT towards a ferry operator, the Government could never hand over the Port to DPPT, as it would immediately be cause of legal action. I believe it would hit against primary regulations in the realm of trade and commerce.
I'll copy what you wrote here, for you to read again.
When finished doing so, Peter, try thinking hard why DPPT would NEVER be taken into consideration!
"M. Gounon is not a ferry operator. He is the chief executive of Eurotunnel. Eurotunnel has bought the assets of SeaFrance with the primary aim of saturating the short sea route, and driving P&O and DFDS out of business. I am astonished that you choose to attach more credence to the words of a Frenchman with a large axe to grind than you do to those of us who are fighting to keep our port out of the hands of people like Gounon.
Or read a few paragraphs about the statutes of fair trade and commerce, Peter.
Xenophobia, and much more, are enclosed in your above-posted official DPPT stance, Peter.
However, to deny that MyFerry is a ferry operator at Dover Port, and to claim that their main goal is to drive the other ferry operators out of business, would have been - had DPPT been the owners of the Port of Dover - a case for judicial examination.
But fortunately for us all, Peter, DPPT is just a paper-port.
I think I made a replica of it with a sheet of paper, in the form of a sailing boat, and floated it in the bath tub. It got saturated and sank.
"primary aim of saturating the short sea route"
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 28 February 2013 22:59218047The competition commission are due to publish their full report on the Eurotunnel/Sea France takeover shortly. So far they don't seem keen on the idea.
http://www.competition-commission.org.uk/media-centre/latest-news/2013/feb/cc-questions-eurotunnel-ferry-deal - 28 February 2013 23:06218048DPPT is not a port you 'narna nor has it purported to be one
. It is an Industrial Provident Society constituted for mass membership and registered as a charity, formed for the purpose of achieving perpetual ownership of the port of Dover on behalf of the communities of which it is representative and for the Nation. The only port I have ever known in Dover is the Port of Dover and that will remain the case even after communitisation has been successfully achieved.