Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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If anyone is xenophobic-it's M. Gounon... but surely Alex if you are one of ...'those of us who are fighting to to keep our port out of the hands of someone like Gounon'... doesn't that make you xenophobic too?
Never give up...
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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#773 - Howard... but it it's better than having zero support. The will of the Dover people provides an excellent backdrop to the case for DPPT.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Peter and Richard, you both claim Mr. Gounon is trying to take over the Port of Dover.
This must be the bottom line of all DPPT official statements.
Lower than that you cannot get.
To publicise a view that MyFerry is trying to take over the Port of Dover by driving the other ferry operators into bankruptcy, is the most definite proof that we have here of what DPPT really stands for.
And perhaps the fact MyFerry is a French company and Mr. Gounon a Frenchman, may also explain these weird statements, underlining the xenophobic sentiments in MP Charlie Elphicke's anti-France campaigns during his attempts to take over the Port of Dover.
That a politician, in this case Charlie Elphicke, should be trying to use his post as MP to take over the Port of Dover, while using xenophobic statements and campaigns, and claiming that a ferry operator in Dover is attempting to drive the other ferry operators out of business, is serious stuff.
If you really believe that anyone in Government is going to buy that, to then hand over the Port to a politician co-founder of DPPT, then dream on!
SWWood- Location: Dover
- Registered: 30 May 2012
- Posts: 261
Alexander, to quote from the competition commission:
Chairman of the Eurotunnel/SeaFrance Inquiry Group and CC Deputy Chairman, Alasdair Smith, said:
'It would seem that Eurotunnel moved into the ferry business because it was concerned at the increased competition it would face if another operator bought the assets. Given that the company already holds a market share of over 40 per cent, we're concerned that customers could lose out from Eurotunnel increasing its share even further and being able to raise prices on the tunnel services.
'In view of the current excess capacity on the Dover-Calais route, it also seems likely that one of the current ferry operators is likely to exit in the short to medium term. We think that customers will be better off if there are two independent ferry companies competing with the tunnel than if one of the two is owned by Eurotunnel.
'We will now look at how we can protect competition in this market. Whilst our focus is primarily on customers' interests, we will also consider carefully the interests of the ferry employees.'
Doesn't this seem to support Charlie's view?
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Xenophobic statements and campaigns? That is just a little vexatious don't you think Alex. Since when was Dover's MP going to take over the port? Really Alex your arguments gets more desperate by the minute and they're falling apart-you're making stuff up as you go along! Its all starting to sound like a bit of an emotional rant-very uncharacteristic...
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Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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I believe that Charlie Elphicke has received a broadside from M. Gounon because of the comments he made in agreeing with the OFT interim ruling, link posted in #779. M. Gounon has chosen to interpret Charlie's comments in this regard as xenophobic. The issue will be decided by the OFT. Charlie speaks on this issue in his capacity as the local MP and his comments are in relation to the OFT interim report.
The DPPT as an organisation is content to watch for the final decision of the OFT and has no official comment or statement to make at this time on this issue.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Richard, try reading the papers! It's all over the town in the headlines.
And we all know that Charlie MP is trying to take over the Port, he's a co-founder of the "people's port".
He has also meddled about so much in Government circles to try to get the Port handed over to a private trust that would borrow large amounts of money from the banking sector.
And he did this during an on-going Public Consultation.
Legal action, dear Richard, that's what Charlie can expect, and believe me it will not fail to manifest.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,707
Wonderful - this thread has now got to the point of Pinteresque surrealism
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Indeed Ross - but life would be so dull otherwise
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Conflict of interest.
The MP using his position in Parliament to contact ministries, including the Prime Minister, in order to influence an ongoing Public Consultation in favour of a private trust, of which the same MP is co-founder, with the intention of having access to borrowed funds that would be paid into the private trust of which he is co-founder.
All documented.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Attempt of the MP to convey borrowed money into a private trust of which the same MP is co-founder., and replace Central Government (District Council and County Council) in deciding over and funding Community regeneration.
If it were true what Neil writes about DPPT having presented a new and updated "offer" to the Government by contacting ministers, lords and civil servants, after the last offer was rejected by the Prime Minister (or was it the Government?), then the Dover Port saga would make the West Coast fiasco look like a storm in a teacup by comparison.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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peter,my ferry link by offering better deals for custermors it will bring a better compition to the ferry industry,if the other companys insist in charging higer prices on there routes then they deserve to go under.p&o have had the monopoly of the dover/calias route for a number of years,so a bit of compition will not hurt.
mfl have return prices starting from 25 pounds with p&o,dfds and ld lines charging at least double for the same crossing.it will be the traverling public who will deside what price they want to pay and not the ferry companys.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Brian I have no problem with fair competition but for Eurotunnel to muscle in on the ferry business when the tunnel already carries 50% of cross-channel traffic, and do it by a cross-subsidy from the tunnel is manifestly unfair competition.
Last time I went across, P&O were £29, DFDS £50 and MFL £39. And P&O threw in 6 bottles of wine and a free brekkie. But the real argument is over the freight business where tariffs are negotiated behind closed doors between ferry companies and users.
Charlie's comments were not unreasonable but the response of M. Guenon is quite astonishing.
Alex you have now put yourself on the side of those who wish harm to Dover and its people.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
I apologise for the following comment but I can not keep quiet any longer
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There is one person on this thread who is making a complete fool of himself.
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Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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Jan Higgins wrote:I apologise for the following comment but I can not keep quiet any longer
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There is one person on this thread who is making a complete fool of himself.
Yep, and the person really doesn't care about Dover, it is just about their own personal agenda....(whatever that is). I've asked some simple question of the person and still yet no reply
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Nothing new there Jan #794
This person has a habit of pursuing matters about which he knows nothing about while ignoring those who do.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
agree about fair compition peter,you will find more profit in passenger traffic than fright,the stark choise is do you make space for say 200 cars with 5 people spending money or 50 lorrys with at best with 2 people who have subsadised meals and dont spend any money.
having said that i have the front page of dover express allso the dockside feture,it seems that dfds/ld lines have a case of sour grapes because they wernt able to buy the 3 ships that eurotunnel have.and with the case of them [dfds/ld lines] saying that it would have driven down prices down is a load of tosh.dfds,ld lines and p&o would then have a monopaly on the dover/calias route.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
I have attempted to find out from Alexander exactly what it is he feels is the best way forward now that the DHB bid failed.
Either Alexander doesn't understand the role of an MP or maybe decides not to?
Whether or not you agree with the peoples port proposals, or whether or not they win the next stage, I would expect charlie
to be lobbying the govt, badgering ministers,
Also I would expect charlie to have a good business plan(ie ideas as to a business plan for the future finance of the port)
To do otherwise would be letting Dover people down
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, hopefully the other port thread will put an end to your misguided imaginations.
The MP Charlie Elphicke does not have any authority over the Port, what you are writing here is plain nonsense.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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There is also no next stage, Keith. Other than what DHB may decide regards to available options.
The DPPT offer was never taken into consideration by the Government or the DfT, and this was explained by the Minister in November 2010 to DPPT.
Please read the other thread, and please stop writing misguided views on here, that only serve to mislead people.
This farce must come to an end, now, and forever more!
The other thread will close down the farce, Keith. It was high-time.