Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Alexander D wrote:
The other thread will close down the farce, Keith. It was high-time.
Seems to me the other thread
is a farce.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Alexander
Im interested to know what you find not to be a fact in my last posting,
Also i can see from your reply you choose not to understand the role of an MP or the present set up with regard to the consultation/peoples port/next stage/
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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there is no next stage that we know of keith, at present all is in limbo until/unless dhb put in another bid.
doubtless there are consortiums waiting in the wings to get hold of the port for their own ends.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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which will be howard the next stage
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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the next stage will be alex and vic taking over the dhb.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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come on minister bring this all to an end
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Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Hi Howard, the DHB will not necessarily need to put in another transfer request. In fact the current chairman has said that they are not going to for now. The Minister, Stephen Hammond, has been tasked with sorting out the future of the port so that it delivers the community involvement and benefit that the Government has made it quite clear that it wants. His first move has been to require DHB to examine all the options in the expectation that they will do the right thing voluntarily. If this approach does not deliver, then he has delegated powers under the 1964 Harbours and 1991 Ports Acts or 2011 Public Bodies Act sufficient to the task of ensuring that the future ownership and governance of the port is the one that the Government wants.
I'm as impatient for all of this to be sorted out for good as the next man, possibly more so as I have to spend at least 16 hours of my spare time every week toing and froing from Westminster, writing papers, etc., but there is a process to follow which one way ends in 6 weeks of public consultation and representations and if it goes another way ends in 24 weeks of Parliamentary scrutiny and a Ministerial order.
I don't know about anyone else, but I find the whole thing far from farcical, the future good of Dover is far too important.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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thanks for that neil trust you had good evening blowing your own trumpet. the last half of your first paragraph says rather a lot.
the minister has the necessary powers to do what the government wants!!
is this commensurate with what dover wants. the jury is out on that?
good luck with all the work you put in on this.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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The big stumbling block is that it's not what Alex wants.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Alex has said, on the strange thread that he started, that he'll play no further part in debating the continuing developments on the port. I hope that this does not mean that he will take no further part in future consultations. I also hope that he will continue to read what is written so that he will know when next to write to the DfT.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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The debate will go on and on for some time to come
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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"O" NO where are my pills again?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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For the first time we see a letter from alexander which he has given a very biased viewpoint.
Whilst I may not fully agree with the peoples port and have reservations, they have clearly set out there stall for everyone to see, Alexander, I would hope the MP is pushing Dover's case at every oppotunity, to ministers/govt officials/business's
and anyone else interested in the future of the Dover port.
Neil(and others ) have continued to explain the position, and try to explain what happens next.
Even I'm aware/grasp it all lol.
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Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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As the following is very old news, already in the public domain and could hardly be described as 'the latest on the port' I had not posted it on Alex's thread. But as he refers there to the letter that was sent to the DPPT in November in 2010 and thinks that the answer he got from the DfT definitively closes the book on DPPT, the below is relevant as it bears out what I've been saying all along and contradicts his stated view:
extract from letter to DPPT from the then Ports Minister, Mike Penning:
"In the event that DHB's application is not approved, then the Port of Dover would remain a Trust Port. It is possible that further proposals could then be brought forward...iniitiated either by the DHB or by the Secretary of State....
I hope this letter explains why the Government is not currently in a position to consider your offer. However, the Minister of State has been told that you have made an offer. This is so that when she comes to make her decision on Dover Harbour Board's application under the Ports Act she can take account of the fact that at least one community based organisation is interested in buying the port, something that may be a relevant factor in deciding whether to approve the proposed transfer scheme. Of course, it also remains open to you to consider making an offer in due course as part of any future process."
As can be seen above the DPPT offer was never rejected and we are proceeding with finalising an updated offer as I have described before and as we were encouraged to do once the DHB's proposals had been dealt with. The process whereby our updated offer will be considered may be initiated by either the DHB or the Secretary of State.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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There is nothing new with all this,round and round we go. Again where are my pills?
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Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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I know Mr Vic, you'll see I said it wasn't new in my opening words
and they are still in the second draw on the right next to the sink
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
neil
d.h.b are hardly likely to initiate your proposals so you appear to be at the mercy of the secretary of state.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I have had alook and you are right,but only one box full I need alot more then that.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Howard, I don't think we can know yet what DHB will or won't do. We have to see who the new Non-Execs are when they are appointed by the DfT - two new ones already advertised and period for receipt of applications now closed and Jeffrey Hulme - period ending 23/05/13 and Chris Green - period ending 31/05/13. The new board members could well herald a welcome change in direction for the DHB.
